HarryS Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I'm trying to find L & R tie rod ends. The axle is a FA 505. Both ends are right hand thread but one is a finer thread than the other (seems weird). I tried Barry but he doesn't think anyone is producing then any more. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 When you gave Barry the 1QHA number "stamped" on the front of your axle beam for him to reference to, did he say your tie-rod ends were rebuildable? If they are, those parts might still be available individually. (ball stud, spring, seal, washers, ect.) Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryS Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 Unfortunately mine are not the rebuildable ones. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Okay. When you gave Barry the 1QHA number "stamped" on the front of your axle beam for him to reference to, what are the two 10QH part numbers he came up with for tie-rod ends? 10QH11A/10QH12A? 10QH35/10QH36? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Unlike a typical car/pickup tie rod end, they use different thread pitches to allow lengthening/shortening the rod by just twisting it. Unlike a car where they are left and right handed. Strange, but it works. I went through this about 5 yrs ago with my truck. Lucky mine are still available, but it is the larger 517 axle. 1 Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryS Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 15 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: Okay. When you gave Barry the 1QHA number "stamped" on the front of your axle beam for him to reference to, what are the two 10QH part numbers he came up with for tie-rod ends? 10QH11A/10QH12A? 10QH35/10QH36? He didn't give a number for the ends, just said they hadn't had any for about 5 years and also that PAI didn't have them either. My axle # is1QHA 4125 BPS (or 5). Would those numbers you list be current part numbers for the ends? 2 hours ago, Freightrain said: Unlike a typical car/pickup tie rod end, they use different thread pitches to allow lengthening/shortening the rod by just twisting it. Unlike a car where they are left and right handed. Strange, but it works. I went through this about 5 yrs ago with my truck. Lucky mine are still available, but it is the larger 517 axle. Larry, It is strange but it seems to make sense when you think about it. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horse Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 guys-just trying to anticipate future issues-my axle is an FA-519. My build sheet does not list tie rod ends. the only left and right components listed are..."Steering knuckle assembly " (L & R) , and "cross steering Lever" (L & R) Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 On 6/29/2016 at 0:58 AM, HarryS said: He didn't give a number for the ends, just said they hadn't had any for about 5 years and also that PAI didn't have them either. My axle # is1QHA 4125 BPS (or 5). Would those numbers you list be current part numbers for the ends? Larry, It is strange but it seems to make sense when you think about it. Okay, that stamped 1QHA4125BP5 is your front axle arrangement. The exploded view shows all the parts, numbers and quantities. I realize demand is low. Still, it's regrettable that, given the popularity of the FA505 axle, tie-rod ends are no longer available. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby j Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Could you possibly buy complete tie rod assy with both left and right hand threads on ends.....that's what parts man down here wants me to do....,it's a 12,000 front axle right ?.....as long as the studs are the same diameter.....Bobby j. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Bobby j said: Could you possibly buy complete tie rod assy with both left and right hand threads on ends.....that's what parts man down here wants me to do....,it's a 12,000 front axle right ?.....as long as the studs are the same diameter.....Bobby j. No, the 8,000 lb-rated Mack model FA505 steer axle is from the 1960s. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryS Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 On 6/28/2016 at 7:42 PM, Bobby j said: Could you possibly buy complete tie rod assy with both left and right hand threads on ends.....that's what parts man down here wants me to do....,it's a 12,000 front axle right ?.....as long as the studs are the same diameter.....Bobby j. Bobby, It sounds like you are having the same problem as I am. Any luck? I have not come up with anything yet. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-337954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 as common as the 505 and 517 and 522 was. this makes me sick to my stomach. the 505 was still runnin into the early 70's with the R model but it was a 2'' wider beam. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryS Posted July 1, 2016 Author Share Posted July 1, 2016 I agree. You would think if the supply was all used up and there are still plenty of this axle set around it would be worth while to do a run. I have no idea how much or how many units it would take. One of our local parts houses gave me a print out of the different type ends available in a progressive size chart and there is nothing close. Most all of the rods available have a male threaded end as opposed to female. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horse Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 On 6/28/2016 at 2:06 PM, Red Horse said: guys-just trying to anticipate future issues-my axle is an FA-519. My build sheet does not list tie rod ends. the only left and right components listed are..."Steering knuckle assembly " (L & R) , and "cross steering Lever" (L & R) Guys-any opinions? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) I would say as long as the tapers are the same and you can get the right length bar, use it. I wonder if there is anything you could change out(like steering arm on the spindle) to get 517 ends to fit? Edited July 1, 2016 by Freightrain Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby j Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Harry.....parts man in Macon told me to take mine off and he was gonna try and get me a complete tie rod assy...as long as the studs where the same....he's an old Mack parts guy.....mine has the power assist ram bolted to tie rod bar...I just haven't had time to take mine off as its hay season and I help some of these farmers down here with their equipment,...once I find out I'll let you know,,,,,Bobby j, Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryS Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 Mine has the power assist ram also. In the absence of coming up with anything better I thought of tie rod sleeves that would allow use of a male connection tie rod. Moog has sleeves listed that would fit the fine thread end of the tie rod but not the course end. I can't see where this set up would be a safety issue, especially for an old retired Mack that leads a life of leisure. I have mine apart and will take measurements and call Moog on Tuesday. It will also be interesting to see what the "old Mack parts guy" comes up with. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Here is some previous discussion that may be helpful. 1 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 7 hours ago, j hancock said: Here is some previous discussion that may be helpful. By application, those Meritor numbers are applicable to F090 (9,000lb), F120 (12,000lb) and F160 (16,000lb) General Motors truck axles. http://truckpartsetc.com/sales/PDFs/Arvin Meritor (Euclid)/Meritor_FrontAxle.pdf And didn't they end up using a different tie rod tube?............http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/16975-great-parts-dealer/ Based on his 1QH4125BP5 front axle arrangement, I'd like to know what Mack 10QH tie rod ends are listed. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryS Posted July 3, 2016 Author Share Posted July 3, 2016 17 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: By application, those Meritor numbers are applicable to F090 (9,000lb), F120 (12,000lb) and F160 (16,000lb) General Motors truck axles. http://truckpartsetc.com/sales/PDFs/Arvin Meritor (Euclid)/Meritor_FrontAxle.pdf And didn't they end up using a different tie rod tube?............http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/16975-great-parts-dealer/ Based on his 1QH4125BP5 front axle arrangement, I'd like to know what Mack 10QH tie rod ends are listed. I checked the build sheet and found 10QHA 220 P1 & 221 P1 listed as "cross steering socket asy", which sounds like tie rod ends. I missed that before not recognizing their naming. Here is a picture of the ones that are on now. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 10QH220P1 and 10QH221P1.......good job. That looks like a rebuildable end to me. The 1QH4125BP5 front axle arrangment, in a parts book or on microfilm, would show the "break-down" of the ends, i.e. the stud,, spring, washers, seals, ect. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmyb Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Without know much about b model tie rod ends, I did see a company advertising rebuilding tie rid ends. Its called the "nu-tech polymer bushing system". Just google it. Would be interested to get a smart mans opinion on it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryS Posted July 4, 2016 Author Share Posted July 4, 2016 19 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: 10QH220P1 and 10QH221P1.......good job. That looks like a rebuildable end to me. The 1QH4125BP5 front axle arrangment, in a parts book or on microfilm, would show the "break-down" of the ends, i.e. the stud,, spring, washers, seals, ect. K, You are right it is rebuildable. It is a different configuration than the one in my service manual. There is a number on the tie rod and also the socket inside, 20-5050. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Rare Parts may be able to help with rebuild parts. http://rareparts.com/ Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryS Posted July 4, 2016 Author Share Posted July 4, 2016 4 hours ago, j hancock said: Rare Parts may be able to help with rebuild parts. http://rareparts.com/ Thanks for the lead. I will call them tomorrow. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/45816-b-61-tie-rod-ends/#findComment-338425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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