Popular Post B MACK Posted August 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2016 I didn't have a date on this photo, I believe I saw this old girl in a log yard in 2000 or 01? Old trucks never die. They just get sheet metal bent up or loose some of it! 1 10 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie dog Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Love the fuel tank retro-fit. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Willie dog said: Love the fuel tank retro-fit. Water tank to cool the brakes. Paul Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie dog Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 1:00 PM, 41chevy said: Water tank to cool the brakes. Paul Ooppps. Shows you how much I know. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 On 16.08.2016 at 8:00 PM, 41chevy said: Water tank to cool the brakes. Paul Paul, I can belive to about anything you say. But this time it seems you're kidding. At least I see no other fuel tanks on that beast. And who the hell cools drum brakes with water?? What is that? KW or Sterling? Cool pictures. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post j hancock Posted August 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 18, 2016 Water cooled brakes is the real deal in the logging industry in the northwest US. The tank was plumbed so water would cool the outside of the brake drum to dissipate the heat. With the yard dog pictured above, looks like small square home made tanks are under the doors. The pass. side one is a yellow color and the driver's side is reddish looking. I bet the original fuel tanks were ripped off or badly damaged in that environment. Here is an interesting story about an Mack LJ logging rig. http://caseyhull.com/at_1947Mack.php 4 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOB DINGSDALE Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 VLADISLAV: I think that it's a first edition INTERNATIONAL WEST COASTER. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outbehindthebarn Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Looks like an aluminum frame too... Quote Fun is what they fine you for!My name is Bob Buckman sir,. . . and I hate truckers. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 First off,the guys are right,the loggers did water cool their brakes!! There are no Cat Scales in the forests of the Pacific Northwest.pretty difficult to guess the weight of those bark covered logs especially if they get wet! U can be sure they're not grossing 80000 !Out behind the bar,I remembered the name of the place out your way I used to sell wrecked cars to,was Leetsdale Auto wrecking. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck Shop Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Fuel tanks mounted behind the cab were pretty common on early Kw's,Pete's and many other trucks in the northwest. The off road loggers were mainly the ones that cooled the drums with water, but it wasn't that common. Note the fuel tank behind the cab on this 54 Pete that that belonged to Herrett Trucking Sunnyside , Wa. At one time it was the biggest refrigerated truck line west of the Mississippi. I use to see Herrett trucks all the time when I was a kid. Truck Shop 2 Quote One ping only Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, Vladislav said: Paul, I can belive to about anything you say. But this time it seems you're kidding. At least I see no other fuel tanks on that beast. And who the hell cools drum brakes with water?? What is that? KW or Sterling? Cool pictures. Look at the photo blown up, there is a good size fuel tank under the right door. Edited August 19, 2016 by 41chevy 1 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 My grandpa talked about turning the water on before heading down the mountain with a load of logs. Got to remember those roads were skinny, steep with lots of switch backs. The trucks didn't have jakes and like mentioned above no scales, loads were measured by the board foot. Until jakes came around I don't think watering your drums was that rare. 1 Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotpilot Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 7 hours ago, Vladislav said: Paul, I can belive to about anything you say. But this time it seems you're kidding. At least I see no other fuel tanks on that beast. And who the hell cools drum brakes with water?? What is that? KW or Sterling? Cool pictures. for one co. although an old one ( rio grande trucking) out of denver colo had 1963-4-5 -6 and 67 petes and kws with jake brakes + 12 in wide watercooled mountain brakes on all their trailers and most of the tractors 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck Shop Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 2 Quote One ping only Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 41chevy Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 Here is Dave Mills Hayes with a Columbia Trailer with factory water cooled brakes. Dave Mills bought this#6 truck from Truesdale's over in Sechelt a few years back. The water system is filled at least once a day depending on how steep the hills are and how many trips you make per shift If the haul you are on is steep then you water up EVERY trip if its not too steep then you dont use as much water so you can maybe haul for a couple trips before watering up. The 12 lbs of air in the water tank is what actually pushes the water flow to the trailer. 3/8ths water pipe to each wheel and the water spout is usually mounted at the 10:00 -2:00 position so the water will flow over the drum as the wheels are turning When coming down a steep hill with 100Tons or more of logs the water on the drums cause's steam and you can tell how you are driving by watching the steam--Too little steam and you are going too slow and too much steam and maybe your going too fast its like a formula so to speak The weights that are playing with are unreal The truck and trailer empty weighs 40 tons --then add 100-120 tons of logs and then a 32 percent grade and it gets interesting , OH by the way its easy to break a drum using your water wrong. They generally have 8 brakes 4 truck 4 trailer the brake size is truck 7x20 and trailer is 8x20 most highway trucks have 12 brakes 6 truck 6 trailer and their brake size is 16 1/2x8 5/8 truck and trailer plus they have two front brakes on the steering axle that are 16 1/2 x 5 now this is on a typical tri-axle logging truck and tridem log trailer so this gives you kind of a picture of how much more brakes the average highway truck versus off highway trucks For off highway you don't have scales you figure the weight by log scale in meters so for most part 1 meter= 1 ton 5 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Knew the loggers used water cooled brakes, but thought they were custom made retrofit. What year is that Hayes and approximately what would it cost?Really cool piece of equipment!! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Guys, thanks alot for the extended explanations. Always something to learn. Paul, that Hayes is impressive. Together with the trailer and the story Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 On 8/19/2016 at 6:11 PM, BillyT said: Knew the loggers used water cooled brakes, but thought they were custom made retrofit. What year is that Hayes and approximately what would it cost?Really cool piece of equipment!! It's a 1969 or 1970 and has been rebuild a few times, I have no idea what the HDX cost than but to hazard a guess, probably 65 or 75 grand? It was before Signal bought them and than PAACAR bought them in the mid 1970's and closed them down. Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-342926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor'Easter Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 8/18/2016 at 10:46 PM, 41chevy said: Really digging up a thread here but, does anyone know who makes this tire? I'm looking for the same tread pattern in 1100-22. I've seen a few L cab log trucks wearing them but can never make out the tire brand. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-489540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 It was an off road tread design. And I don't think they were ever available in 11-22. Tubeless tires are going the way of the dodo bird. A friend is in the process of converting his trucks to tubeless because he can no longer buy 24 inch tires Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-489541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 That’s very interesting Not sure if you knew this but I worked in a tire shop way back in 73 did mostly big rigs but almost all of our customers at 10:20 split rims I would only see the bigger ones on up construction equipment my mind is slipping but I would’ve sworn we had a few customers with 1200/24I can’t remember but there wasn’t that many of them even back then. … I’ll tell you what man that’s a rough way to go especially for a skinny little kid I looked like Charles Atlas after a few weeks of swinging that tire hammer Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-489806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 we have a very large tire retailer in the industrial park where we currently are staying until the new compound is built. they never had problems ordering 12-24's until about a year ago. in december Steve tried ordering a dozen, and they told him nope, no one is making them any more. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-489808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horse Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 6 hours ago, tjc transport said: we have a very large tire retailer in the industrial park where we currently are staying until the new compound is built. they never had problems ordering 12-24's until about a year ago. in december Steve tried ordering a dozen, and they told him nope, no one is making them any more. I bought 4 new 11R -24 Summitomos last July Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-489863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 rite. but that was 6 months ago, and 11-24. you can not find 12-24's now. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-489877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horse Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 hours ago, tjc transport said: rite. but that was 6 months ago, and 11-24. you can not find 12-24's now. Brian T- Joseph Equipment in NH was advertising some- a few months ago-don't know if he sold out of them. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46454-some-old-trucks-never-die/#findComment-489893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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