Draconian actions – 1st Amendment thrown to the curb

[41chevy]

10 minutes ago, gearhead204 said:

I guess the way I look at this is simple, if I stand out on a sidewalk and photograph you in your living room while wearing my press hat is that right? I would say without your consent its not! so what happens inside an enclosure is  just as private as your house.

Apparently not. My Marmon appears on a Hanks members photo page. My unit was in the back yard and the photo was taken with a telephoto lens. The law states the photographer had every legal right to take the photo  from off my property. In fact if I use his photo of MY truck, I'm in violation of the law unless I get his permission. The is a law on photographers rights!

[kscarbel2]

13 minutes ago, gearhead204 said:

I guess the way I look at this is simple, if I stand out on a sidewalk and photograph you in your living room while wearing my press hat is that right? I would say without your consent its not! so what happens inside an enclosure is  just as private as your house.

I hear you. You know that I do. But if they're standing on a public sidewalk, yes, it's legal. Hence the invention of the curtain.

My point is Freedom of the Press.

Let me ask you, before Snowden, did you honestly believe that your e-mails were confidential? That nobody had access to them besides you?

Select media, at great danger to themselves, brought this shocking revelation to the attention of the masses (one is living in virtual exile in Brazil now).

[RowdyRebel]

Back when I was renting, I looked out my front window and saw a car on the street taking pictures of my house. So, INSIDE my house, I picked up my rifle and aimed it out the window.

 

I was pretty certain they were looking in through the window, because they peeled out getting the F out of there in quite the hurry.

 

I don't take kindly to folks sticking their nose in my business.

[TeamsterGrrrl]

Pointing a firearm at someone for taking a picture of you is a good way to get some free room and board.

 

[RowdyRebel]

Hey, I'm just hanging out INSIDE my home. The ONLY way they would've known I had a gun pointed in their direction was if they were peeping...which is a crime in and of itself. Had I stepped out onto the porch and aimed at them, sure, there may have been some issues...but sitting on the couch in my living room, well, I have the right to do as I please.

[gearhead204]

I guess part of my issue with freedom of the press comes from the late 80's when an investigative reporter spilled a story about  ALAR a chemical used to color apples and its ties to cancer, after destroying  part of our local economy it was later researched to have required a person to eat 40 lbs. of apples a day in order to cause cancer. if they had an issue with a certain chemical in the food chain why didn't they attack the U.S.D.A. or the state dept. of ag. for allowing growers to legally apply it?   but no! some jackass had to cause pain to people for doing what was legal, they did print a retraction but that is worthless after the damage is done!      

[TeamsterGrrrl]

That's the risk that comes with a free press- Look at how VW's excess diesel emissions have been blown all out of proportion by the media. But thanks to the same free press, the story of Watergate came out and corrupt Nixon left office. They may get it wrong some times, but I'll take a free press over propaganda any day!

[RowdyRebel]

Meanwhile, thanks to a CORRUPT press, you have Hillary's transgressions (mishandling classified info, dead ambassador, etc...not to mention HER treatment of women 30 years ago that were raped and abused by her husband...) swept under the rug to make room for something completely irrelevant that Trump may or may not have done 30 years ago with or to some women he may or may not have known. Hell, they're making a big stink over Trump stating he'll wait and see how the elections go before accepting or challenging the results...meanwhile ignoring the fact that Hillary disclosed highly sensitive (if not classified) info right there on the debate stage when she stated how long the underlings have to put a nuke in the air after the president gives the order.

 

If the press wants to be "free", then they need to apply equal treatment to ALL sides. As long as the press acts as the media wing/attack dogs for the Democrat party, they shouldn't expect too many "rights and privileges" afforded to them.

[RowdyRebel]

...and what Nixon did is nothing compared to what the media has covered up for the Clintons and Obama.

[david wild]

So our commie friend brings up Nixon who was a good president just got up in covering some crap that really was insignificant compared to what has gone on today, Clintons, Weiner, Frank  god I can't list them all I'd be here all day. At the end of the day all the Democrats have to offer up is Hillary, that's the best they can dig up, talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel, So Trump as a citizen fondled a little meow, Oh my god let's bomb some turd country over it, like Clinton did every time some one brought up his cigar tricks ?? Bombing someone makes better headlines. Democrats run our major cities, most are broke, Democrats run our schools, we turn out brain deads. Democrats  promise the Blacks they will help ?? 40 years later they are still waiting, in fact slavery in this country is doing well it's just got a different look, all thanks to the Democrat.  Yeah Trump has some issues but Democrats have many more and worse.    

[TeamsterGrrrl]

Commie? Which one of us?

The Soviet Union don't even exist anymore, they gave up on communism damn near 3 decades ago, only place you'll find "commies" there is in a museum. The eastern bloc countries followed the USSR's example. China? The leaders may still make all the party banquets and even the occasional party meeting, but they behave like capitalists with a vengeance. Let's see, where might we still find any "commies"? Cuba's going capitalist ASAP, so none left there. North Korea? Sounds more like a corrupt megalomaniac dictator there than communism.

So looks like you'll have to visit a museum to find any "commies". Guess you'll just have to find someone else to hate...

[kscarbel2]

Easy guys. I know we're a tight knit group that speaks our minds, but......ease up a bit. Our varied opinions is what makes for an interesting conversation. There are a wealth of truths in your posts, but we should all be above name calling. That's what makes us gentlemen.

[david wild]

Democrats are one DNA strand from a communist. Single payer health, welfare, government control of everything sounds like communism to me, now remember what your mom told you, only the truth hurts, and when you call a democrat a communist they get their feelings hurt. hence the truth speaks to their real plan they just don't want you to know. Being from NH and living in the south I get called all kinds of names, I smile and let the know how much I love the south. At least they did not vote for the current idiot in the White house (not the peoples house).    

[david wild]

If the only thing I wrote that ruffled any feathers was a reference to communism, then the rest must have been true ?????? 

[41chevy]

10 hours ago, david wild said:

So our commie friend brings up Nixon who was a good president just got up in covering some crap that really was insignificant compared to what has gone on today, Clintons, Weiner, Frank

Not Commie, a Democratic Socialist.  They dislike Communism rabidly.

http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

 

Edited October 23, 2016 by 41chevy

[david wild]

Pinko, commie, democrat, socialist, flag burners, tree huggers, Clinton, Obama all the same to me.  

[Keith Pommerening]

As I remember;  Wasn't watergate about demos, the protector of women, providing hookers for donors and delegates?

[david wild]

Nixon covers up a low level break in, Democrats want him gone, Clinton let's 4 men die, democrats want her for president ???? 

[41chevy]

2 hours ago, david wild said:

Pinko, commie, democrat, socialist, flag burners, tree huggers, Clinton, Obama all the same to me.  

Much more dangerous that all of the above and generally call themselves Progressives. They mobilize the followers and sponsor groups like B.L.M. and ACORN/SEIU They control all the unions, the schools and teachers,  a good number of judges, most all of the media and push causes under the battle cry of saving the earth or righting wrongs committed years and years ago..Push until the Feds step in and make a law or mandate to federalize, control or stop the thing and than reward the protestors or the strikers in some way advantageous to the "cause".  They loosely follow Alinsky Rules  and Kruschev's promise to destroy use from with in.  . They stand behind the Constitution when it suits them and trashing it when it doesn't, obey laws the "like" and choose to ignore the ones they decree are unconstitutional. Much More Dangerous than all of the above

[TeamsterGrrrl]

Sorry to disturb your conspiracy theories with reality, but this is entirely the native americans doing- In fact they're mad at Obama and Clinton for staying out of the controversy. The tribes quite rightly see this poorly engineered pipeline as a threat to their water supply and people, and they're uniting to fight it. As a small town water system operator, if they tried to build such a poorly engineered pipeline upstream of our water supply, I'd be fighting it too.

[david wild]

And what dope you smoking ????  Put in on a train, much safer than pipelines ???? wrong,  but trains belong to Buffet, that makes it all good, he supports Clinton, you just don't get it do you. 

[TeamsterGrrrl]

Neither. The Bakken boom is over, and with U.S. oil consumption dropping, there may never again be a need for "oil by rail" or additional pipelines from the Bakken. This is a reality we all need to look at- world population is peaking, we're consuming less energy, meat, etc., so expanding capacity in fossil fuel production, farming, etc. is becoming foolhardy. If it's ever completed, this pipeline may in fact be mothballed for years because there's no great need for it.

[gearhead204]

14 minutes ago, TeamsterGrrrl said:

Neither. The Bakken boom is over, and with U.S. oil consumption dropping, there may never again be a need for "oil by rail" or additional pipelines from the Bakken. This is a reality we all need to look at- world population is peaking, we're consuming less energy, meat, etc., so expanding capacity in fossil fuel production, farming, etc. is becoming foolhardy. If it's ever completed, this pipeline may in fact be mothballed for years because there's no great need for it.

this is great news! now we don't have to worry about carbon taxes or global warming........I just wish you scientists would get your story straight  

[david wild]

Sounds more like all the reason to vote conservative, peaking population, less oil consumption, sounds looks a good time to save money, build less, spend less, stop all road construction, less trains (don't tell GE)  I think it's going the other way, I see more traffic, more roads being built to accomadate more traffic because of more people and the EPA up my butt more, Problem is we have been in mental depression since your hero took office and the real players have just road out the last 8 hoping that someone will come along that they can trust to help America not everybody else.   

[Keith Pommerening]

5 hours ago, TeamsterGrrrl said:

Sorry to disturb your conspiracy theories with reality, but this is entirely the native americans doing- In fact they're mad at Obama and Clinton for staying out of the controversy. The tribes quite rightly see this poorly engineered pipeline as a threat to their water supply and people, and they're uniting to fight it. As a small town water system operator, if they tried to build such a poorly engineered pipeline upstream of our water supply, I'd be fighting it too.

Last power line that came through here:  Power company made a deal with the tribe.  Paid them every cent they asked for.  Then tribal members beat drums and stoked a camp fire for months while demanded more.  Don't know what the tribe did with the money.  Can't believe they are upset with the present regime, they vote 95% or more "D."  Some times more votes then tribe members I hear!  Want to bet they do the same next month?

"Poorly engineered pipeline"  With all the government oversight, EPA, OSHA, county, state, federal, tribal regulation and oversight, highly skilled, trained, paid union labor...etc.  With that much help from the government and unions, how can we have anything but the best and safest pipelines?