james j neiweem Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Why do we jump all over Mack for being a Volvo with a different cab and hood. Paccar has been doing this for years with Pete and KW. For now anyway you can still get Mack transmissions/rears and springs. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Been done before... Mack did it themselves with Brockway, and remember White/Autocar/Diamond Rio? Economy of scale. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 14 hours ago, james j neiweem said: Why do we jump all over Mack for being a Volvo with a different cab and hood. Paccar has been doing this for years with Pete and KW. For now anyway you can still get Mack transmissions/rears and springs. The former Mack Trucks was a "vertically integrated" truck manufacturer. Paccar's truck units, Kenworth and Peterbilt, have always produced "assembled trucks", purchasing most components from outside vendors. There's no comparison. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 15 minutes ago, kscarbel2 said: The former Mack Trucks was a "vertically integrated" truck manufacturer. Paccar's truck units, Kenworth and Peterbilt, have always produced assembled trucks, purchasing components from outside vendors. There's no comparison. Interesting how "vertical integration" is the latest selling point for truck makers, mainly predetermined by the complexity of electronics and emissions technology. Mack had it down pat 60 years ago with the Maxidyne/Maxitorque drivetrain. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
6368 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I never saw a Pete with an 8-bag or a KW with air-leaf or track. Frames were different too. I also don't think Diamond Reo was part of White/GMC. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, 6368 said: I never saw a Pete with an 8-bag or a KW with air-leaf or track. Frames were different too. I also don't think Diamond Reo was part of White/GMC. Diamond Reo was long gone before the White/GMC buyout. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
6368 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Looks like i was wrong. Reo was part of White. I was confused because I remember them building diamond reos in harrisburg long after Volvo to over White. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 The "Giant" Profit Machines . 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
6368 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Remember the sloped nose ones with Deutz engines in them? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swishy Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Did they look like this n cya §wishy 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 22 minutes ago, Swishy said: Did they look like this n That's an air-cooled Deutz-powered model C11664DD. The Deutz V-8 engine model is BF8L513, and it is still available from Deutz as a factory Xchange unit. Today's 15.9-liter Deutz BF8M1015 V-8, rated up to 600 horsepower, is quite a powerhouse. Not a Deutz-powered unit, but this one is absolutely beautiful..........http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/3885-1997-diamond-reo-truck/ Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I missed a supposedly running driving s/a Diamond Reo tractor 86 model with an air-cooled Deutz about 200 hp for 1800.00! On Craig's list in Gibsonton, Florida. It's a circus town, may have been an old circus tractor. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Having never heard of Deutz engines in anything but generators, compressors ,etc I googled them and found a pictorial of one torn down that a guy was rebuilding! For a truck! Very interesting design,supposedly bulletproof if you keep the dirt and debris out of the cooling fan and related components.I noted that Diamond Reo speed them on heavy vocational trucks,a testimony to their reliability! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 hours ago, BillyT said: Having never heard of Deutz engines in anything but generators, compressors ,etc I googled them and found a pictorial of one torn down that a guy was rebuilding! For a truck! Very interesting design,supposedly bulletproof if you keep the dirt and debris out of the cooling fan and related components.I noted that Diamond Reo speed them on heavy vocational trucks,a testimony to their reliability! Deutz produced trucks. With their air-cooled engines in them. 2 Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Vlad are there any Deutz trucks still running in Russia? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Not many nowadays. There were plenty of them dump trucks in the North when building BAM railroad in the 80's. They were branded Magirus-Deutz though. 2 Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Thanks Vlad, that's interesting! My best friend and former trucking agent says he has seen a late 80s GMC 7000 with a Dietz engine,also a F350 Ford Chassis with one at the dealer.They apparently offered them in several medium duty American trucks in the 80s. Couldn't help but notice the resemblance in design to the corvair and VW flat four and six engines and The Continental aircraft engines they use in Florida on airboats! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Still quite a few deutz tractors around in my area. Belarus a fairly common also. 1 Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Heavy Gunner are they "badged" Deutz or only Belarus Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBullDog Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 A second cousin of mine had a Deutz Allis front wheel assist. It was air cooled of course and could drag a chisel plow around in the hottest summer weather without breaking a sweat. Our Deeres struggled in the same heat. My Grandpa on the other side of my family ran 2 smaller Deutzs as hay tractors. two to three hundred hour oil changes, vs 100 hr or less for deeres and cases. That same front wheel assist Deutz is still in the family, different second cousin. Belarus was a Russian or Ukranian tractor. They were a simple tractor but not the most durable things. They are not related to Deutz. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47696-volvo-mack-commonality/#findComment-352786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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