Popular Post 41180 Posted January 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2017 6 hours ago, Swishy said: Here's a Titan I chopped up 18 months ago. I wanted a aussie style mack superliner,/Titan ever since I first saw one in bulldog magazine in the late 90s when I was 17. 17 years later I got one of the American version I am pretty lucky 6 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-356899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackey58 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 What do you folks haul in those hopper looking containers? Is it hot material? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-356912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kscarbel2 Posted January 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2017 The issue that Mack distributor principals are talking about now is they no longer have a big engine offering. While their North American competition offers the superb DD15, and DD16, and Cummins has a revised ISX15 (i.e. X15), North American Mack (and Volvo dealers) now abruptly find themselves with the D13/MP8 as their largest engine option. Now they flat out do not compete in the 15/16-liter market segment. The Titan was a sales disaster, but the big news is the loss of the D16/MP10 in North America. Volvo and its incompetent Mack brand management flubbed the U.S. market Titan idea from day one. Looking back at the RW6 and RW7 product, we of course sold 10 RW6s for every one RW7. Although I supported the idea of the Mack brand having a RW7-like truck for severe service, it first should have relaunched a RW6 "Super-Liner" product where there is: 1) a greater need, 2) an opportunity to juice up the brand again, and 3) far greater volume. I also didn't like the way the US market Titan was always shown pimped with tacky looking chrome trim that the Australian version never had. And as has been noted, the cheap chrome trim didn't hold up. As has been mentioned, the design of the Titan was created to meet the needs of Australia. For the US market, it should have had more "adaption". In summary, Volvo should have introduced an on-road US market Super-Liner III.........before launching a low volume Titan. The failure of the US market Titan all goes back to the incompetent Mack brand management in Greensboro, none of whom have a background in the truck industry. As Volvo brand US market sales continue to rise while the Mack brand remains stagnant, the future of the latter is looking more and more bleak. Mack brand dealers nationwide are missing deals right and left because their quotes are $10,000 to $15,000 higher than competing makes. Volvo is pricing the Mack brand out of the market. One can't help but wonder if Volvo is purposely doing so. 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-356922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Challenger Posted January 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2017 On 1/1/2017 at 8:36 AM, 220cummins said: If they wanted the heavy spec market, that they once had, why wouldn't they be competitive with options like cabs, power plants, and price? I have scratched my head at this since the Titans release. I also don't understand why an ISX can not be offered in a CHU? They share the same frame as a Volvo which offers a Cummins? In my few years working at a dealer I've only seen a handful of Titans and D16's. Here's one of them and her little sister. 7 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-356929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I think Mack will be focusing on the product lines that sell. Granite and the Pinnacle or its soon to be released highway update. Sales are down right now and it may be a good time to shed the model lines that are not selling so hot. I'm surprised to hear that the D16 is being cut. I'm seeing more Volvo VNX spec trucks up here lately and Volvo seems to be marketing that model up here pretty heavily in the last few months with videos on YouTube and literature. I was thinking Volvo killing the Titan they would just push customers to the VNX. That changes things if the D16 is being phased out. I was of the understanding it was still offered with 2017 emissions engine lineup. Guess not . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-356938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
220cummins Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Challenger said: Here's one of them and her little sister. Clean Shop! That one wasn't a smooth delivery if I recall. The purchaser definitely had patience. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-356946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 9 hours ago, bbigrig said: I think Mack will be focusing on the product lines that sell. Granite and the Pinnacle or its soon to be released highway update. Sales are down right now and it may be a good time to shed the model lines that are not selling so hot. I'm surprised to hear that the D16 is being cut. I'm seeing more Volvo VNX spec trucks up here lately and Volvo seems to be marketing that model up here pretty heavily in the last few months with videos on YouTube and literature. I was thinking Volvo killing the Titan they would just push customers to the VNX. That changes things if the D16 is being phased out. I was of the understanding it was still offered with 2017 emissions engine lineup. Guess not . This whole thing is odd like you said volvo had the d16 on their websites and press releases as certified for 17;mack did as well. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-356975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullheaded Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Logtruckman.....one thing you can probably verify about the under cab air filters and those side mounted pre-cleaners.......that is one area the Titan shines. My friends that have them report they replace air filters on their other trucks two to three times before they need to replace the ones in the Titan. So there was one benefit to the raised cab with that intake setup. And unfortunately they also had the same problem as you, with the grill and breathers peeling, and the breathers corroding. Still, will be sad to see them gone, but like everyone has said, they should have been offered with better sleeper options and priced competitively. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swishy Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Mackey58 Gudday M8 RE: haul in those hopper looking containers Guessn they cart Bauxite etc in the outback ______________________________________________________________ Logtruckman Gudday M8 dose the titan hood tilt and the radiator grill stay put looks like the hood and shell tilt over and leave the grill intact on the radiator here in OZ the hole hood n grill tilt & also not much chrome but lotsa stainless steel mack use cya §wishy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Swishy, yeah, the grill stays in place when the hood tilts on ours. But there was a different grill you could get that stayed hooked to the hood. Bullhead, yeah, the filters under the cab stay clean. I've only changed mine once in 150k miles. I checked them not long ago and they're still clean. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Underdog Posted January 4, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just my $.02, but it seems like the heavy duty vocational market is just too small for the builders to pay attention to. My bet is that in the long run economics will eventually cause the market to be left in one builder's hand; my bet is Western Star. I think you will be able to spec out a Paccar product to be equivalent, but it will come at a premium price for those who just have to have a Paccar product. I also see an opportunity for someone who wants to roll the dice and get into building trucks for the HD vocational market. Possibly upgrading an existing product or maybe even going whole hog and doing a complete truck like Hendrickson. Maybe even Caterpillar will dip their toe back into the market now that the economy is back on track. I think it may be time for Autocar to expand its product line... 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 20 hours ago, 220cummins said: Clean Shop! That one wasn't a smooth delivery if I recall. The purchaser definitely had patience. I like a clean shop, not hard to do when you're by yourself. Ya, the owner is a very patient person. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackey58 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Ahhh thand swishy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
superliner500 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Scania V8 euro-6 no probs. new Volvo boss opening the door the revised V8. Sounds good to me. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Swishy Posted January 5, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2017 LogTruckMan Gudday M8 most of the bling on the titan is Stainless steel a few pix of Titan with Hood tilted n also the 'R' Model 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 41180 Posted January 5, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2017 5 hours ago, superliner500 said: Scania V8 euro-6 no probs. new Volvo boss opening the door the revised V8. Sounds good to me. I had the same thought 😎bring back e7;and e9 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullheaded Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I can't see why we can't get the 550/1850 rating for the MP8 over here. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Bullheaded said: I can't see why we can't get the 550/1850 rating for the MP8 over here. Is the 505 c+ with 1860 torque available in a granite ? I know back a few years ago you could only get the 505 maxidyne which was rated at 1700 torque I think . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
39 Baby Mack Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 On 1/3/2017 at 8:45 AM, kscarbel2 said: The issue that Mack distributor principals are talking about now is they no longer have a big engine offering. While their North American competition offers the superb DD15, and DD16, and Cummins has a revised ISX15 (i.e. X15), North American Mack (and Volvo dealers) now abruptly find themselves with the D13/MP8 as their largest engine option. Now they flat out do not compete in the 15/16-liter market segment. The Titan was a sales disaster, but the big news is the loss of the D16/MP10 in North America. Volvo and its incompetent Mack brand management flubbed the U.S. market Titan idea from day one. Looking back at the RW6 and RW7 product, we of course sold 10 RW6s for every one RW7. Although I supported the idea of the Mack brand having a RW7-like truck for severe service, it first should have relaunched a RW6 "Super-Liner" product where there is: 1) a greater need, 2) an opportunity to juice up the brand again, and 3) far greater volume. I also didn't like the way the US market Titan was always shown pimped with tacky looking chrome trim that the Australian version never had. And as has been noted, the cheap chrome trim didn't hold up. As has been mentioned, the design of the Titan was created to meet the needs of Australia. For the US market, it should have had more "adaption". In summary, Volvo should have introduced an on-road US market Super-Liner III.........before launching a low volume Titan. The failure of the US market Titan all goes back to the incompetent Mack brand management in Greensboro, none of whom have a background in the truck industry. As Volvo brand US market sales continue to rise while the Mack brand remains stagnant, the future of the latter is looking more and more bleak. Mack brand dealers nationwide are missing deals right and left because their quotes are $10,000 to $15,000 higher than competing makes. Volvo is pricing the Mack brand out of the market. One can't help but wonder if Volvo is purposely doing so. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackey58 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hey challenger more shop pics and let's see the other truck or trucks ya got .be nice to have a roomy shop like that and clean Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 From the Mack website press release of 1-5-17. The MP10 engine is still listed along with the MP7 and 8 as meeting the 2017 green house gas emissions. What ever that means. Could be they are keeping the MP10 and dumping the Titan. In any case the Titan and MP 10 are not yet officially dumped. I would think they would have their replacement options ready before making any official announcements. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackpro Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 3 hours ago, james j neiweem said: From the Mack website press release of 1-5-17. The MP10 engine is still listed along with the MP7 and 8 as meeting the 2017 green house gas emissions. What ever that means. Could be they are keeping the MP10 and dumping the Titan. In any case the Titan and MP 10 are not yet officially dumped. I would think they would have their replacement options ready before making any official announcements. Back in December I was in the Mack MP common rail engine class and there was no mention of the MP10 getting the common rail upgrade. And for that matter not much was said about the MP7 either Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I've been thinking about this for a week now, if volvo corporate ordered the d16 /mp10 to be stopped why would mack. Have to stop building titans why not just start installing mp8 and cummins x15 . Keep the line going maybe give the Titan a face lift new hood design with superliner2 inspired lines and rename it superliner 3 bingo sales boom . Hey but what do I know . 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullheaded Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 An insider friend of mine just sent me these pics. Sorry about the small images, they were taken on his cell phone and he must have the settings low. He said a heavy haul fleet in British Columbia, Canada is testing this black one. Could be the new replacement model. It has the new Volvo/Mack global cab. Said the cab is testing well and is liked by the test drivers.. No mention of engine though. And just like how International used the code name "Project Silverback" when designing and testing the new Paystar replacement, which we now know as the HX, this one is using the name "Voltan" There is also a very popular bulk hauler fleet in southern Ontario that currently has the other one for evaluation. That's all he could tell me. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamBos Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I saw the lower one on the road... Glad i was not seeing things. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/4/#findComment-357506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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