Popular Post carlotpilot Posted December 31, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2016 how many signatures can we get on a pettion to present to unca donald on about his 120 th day in office asking to see what can be done about getting mack back in the us ? he has lined up some really heavy hitters from the biz. world might be worth a try 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swishy Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Car Lot Pilot Gudday M8 the Folding Gooseneck Low loader is made by Brentwood the newest one we have is 1982 http://www.brentwoodtrailers.com.au/trailer-designs we have 3 Brentwoods plus others looks like they dun make m no more cya §wishy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 KS always says there is no more Mack. Maybe it's beginning to sink in more and more everyday. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 The VNX is out selling the Titan 10 fold up here. Pricing, no sleeper options, it's heavier tare weight then 16L equipped VN's made it difficult to sell a Titan on a market that has other manufacturers with options coming out of their Ying yang for your next heavy truck. I'm actually surprised it took this long with the way they held back thend Titan meanwhile the Australian version had options guys in North America wanted. I see more and more VN models that haul 100k lbs gross loads being powered by D16 lately. It's actually fairly common. The engine is doing as well as the 13L engine just uses a bit more fuel. A VNX with 16L power is much cheaper then a Titan with more options. The Mack die hard guys like us were buying Titans. The guys that don't care about brand lineage but care more about bottom line and options for their drivers went to Volvo or somewhere else. There are just more of them then us. The market has spoken to the options that were given on the Mack product line. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 761 Brock Posted December 31, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2016 kt_Engineer... In my opinion, if you want big HP, then get the displacement to go with it..... I don't believe a 13L, 600 Hp motor will last very long, asking way too much from a small block.... maybe I'm wrong, but it seems we are now in a throw away market anyway....... sticking with my 97 T800 for a loooooong time! 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 9 hours ago, Dirtymilkman said: Talked to a Mack rep today. Titan is done. But he said there are announcements to be made in the next couple weeks. I don't believe Volvo is deliberately trying to kill Mack, I think they are just that ignorant and arrogant. What kind of announcements????? Maybe a new superliner available with mp 10 and heavy front axles and suspensions and all sleeper options ??? Hahaaha 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbfwilson Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Why don`t try to put the new Cummins X15 or MP8 in Titan, before to stop the production. Maybe more choice of engine and more possibility to sell this truck. Like the old CL Mack. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TS7 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Bring back the CL 700 and Cummins X 15. There was no good reason it is not still built. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbfwilson Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 I know it`s too late, but if they thinked in the beginning of the production, maybe ????? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack58B42 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 I'm more of an antique guy, and don't drive or fix modern rigs, but I have certainly always appreciated that the Titan is a great looking heavy duty truck, sort of along the lines of what the Superliner was back in its day. Too bad to hear that it will be discontinued. If I WERE in the market for that type of truck, I'd certainly be hoping that Mack would offer enough affordable spec options to make it attractive to a wider audience, but it sounds like they sort of limited themselves on what was available. Too bad for the heavy duty truck market..... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 The D16 is available in Volvo's 780 conventional truck, what about the MP10 for the CH/ Granite? A heavy spec Granite could replace the Titan. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) WE have pulled almost 500 hp out of the little Mack E7 12 litre for years don't see why ya cant get 600 from a 13 litre! Other than the fact its a Volvo engine Not a Mack! The sales on the Titan were quite low However they need to offer the 16 litre in one of the other models to keep up. it needs to be an option There Are places here in BC were HP demand is high ! My opinion! They are systematically shrinking MACK market share, Obvious where this is going! The Vocational sector should have been left to the MACK branded units! Not that these Volvo people listen to anyone! Edited December 31, 2016 by fjh Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Underdog said: The D16 is available in Volvo's 780 conventional truck, what about the MP10 for the CH/ Granite? A heavy spec Granite could replace the Titan. I've had granites and I have a Titan. There is no way to compare a Titan to a granite. The early granites were just a ch cab on a R model frame. The later granites are nowhere as rigid as the Titan. Load them both at 90,000 pounds and you'll see why they don't compare. As for the mp10, I love the motor, great engine braking, great mileage and no issues. But I still have a etech with stage 2 injectors that will out perform it up hills. Flat ground the mp10 runs away. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Maybe I need to build a Volvo race truck next , and believe me the 11 and 13 liter are tough engines . I have personally beat my 11 liter race engine into the ground at 960 hp almost 3000ft torque and it continues to live 👍🏁🏁 But have seriously thought of building a Volvo , what you guys think ? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamsterGrrrl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Staxx, the Volvo cab may be more aerodynamic, but it's wider so probably no advantage. To keep your good weight distribution you need an axle forward, Volvo makes one in the VHD but they're harder to find. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamsterGrrrl Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 13 hours ago, kt_Engineer said: Give a year or two, you will understand why D16/MP10 does NOT make sense. When you can generate 600HP & 2100 Lb-ft of torque with 13L - Turbo compound engine and save on weight as well as cost will you want to spend extra money on Titan? How about a pinnacle (CXU/CHU) with same power as Titan at a lot less cost? Don't have to wait, 600+ HP from 13 liters is already available, they're called "short term marine ratings". But for a 50 ton or heavier rig that runs the engine at full power load and near that all day, a 13 liter won't last. That's why if you go to Daimler, Paccar, or International and try to spec a truck for 50+ ton loads with a 13 liter engine, they'll recommend a 15 or 16 liter engine instead. Then there are the loads for which even 600 HP is marginal, like the South Dakota 17 axle double "trains" that can gross 75 to 80 tons... 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 59 minutes ago, Dirtymilkman said: I've had granites and I have a Titan. There is no way to compare a Titan to a granite. The early granites were just a ch cab on a R model frame. The later granites are nowhere as rigid as the Titan. Load them both at 90,000 pounds and you'll see why they don't compare. As for the mp10, I love the motor, great engine braking, great mileage and no issues. But I still have a etech with stage 2 injectors that will out perform it up hills. Flat ground the mp10 runs away. Yeah we're not going backward into a granite if they don't offer something bigger and better than a granite. see ya later mack Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kt_Engineer Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, TeamsterGrrrl said: Don't have to wait, 600+ HP from 13 liters is already available, they're called "short term marine ratings". But for a 50 ton or heavier rig that runs the engine at full power load and near that all day, a 13 liter won't last. That's why if you go to Daimler, Paccar, or International and try to spec a truck for 50+ ton loads with a 13 liter engine, they'll recommend a 15 or 16 liter engine instead. Then there are the loads for which even 600 HP is marginal, like the South Dakota 17 axle double "trains" that can gross 75 to 80 tons... With Variable Gated Turbos, it has been a problem running at higher HP and Yes, The 16 L's can withstand higher loads relatively easily but with Turbo-compounding the thrust bearing, connecting rods etc will be beefed up and should have about the same L10 life (in theory and to be proved through testing). TC 13L Engine with a DD transmission is also believed to offer ~5% improvement in Fuel Economy when compared to a similar 13L Engine. Were the pistons going bad with 13L when running at Higher HP and Higher GCW? I heard of problems with MP8's (505HP) in Mexico pulling 143,000 lbs. Edited December 31, 2016 by kt_Engineer Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lmackattack Posted December 31, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2016 I was at the Las Vegas con expo when the Titan was released. I was not all that impressed with the options. it was a overpriced truck that sat up to high and had bolt ons that made it look a little more flashy. The HP ratings were promising with the big maxidyne but they soon lowered them. It lacked sleeper options. you could get a Paccar with a sleeper with the same specs but at less cost. IMO The only thing you got with the Titan was the Mack name and bragging rights to the biggest Mack of the day. If Mack/Volvo do not introduce a larger competitive priced truck with a known mack name such as superliner or Magnum etc....this will be the end for their severely limited heavy haul market. There are very few old school mack fleets left. most Dump truck fleets I drove for had a bunch of Little R models and 1 or 2 superliners for heavy lowboy work. Today I dont see any fleets using Titans or even Granite's for lowboy work. Seams mack is being regulated into fleet spec city trucks. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 They would have to make a lot of changes to the granite for the 16L implant. Not enough room under the hood. I also agree with the above comments. Titan was rushed into production and to this day has a lot of stupid design flaws such as the height of the cab and hood for no good reason. If a VN can cool a D16 with a sloped hood and cab close to the frame...... 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Can someone answer as to why every other truck maker offers the full size 120 or longer BBC and offers 15 or 16 liter engines and sleepers but mack can't make one model like that . I mean really ? How hard it is it to make a extended hood chu offer mp10 or even a cummins and front axle ratings up to 20k and big rears ??????? How the he'll hard is it to that ??? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatcity Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 3 hours ago, staxx said: Maybe I need to build a Volvo race truck next , and believe me the 11 and 13 liter are tough engines . I have personally beat my 11 liter race engine into the ground at 960 hp almost 3000ft torque and it continues to live 👍🏁🏁 But have seriously thought of building a Volvo , what you guys think ? my name won't be there Quote Success is only a stones throw away.................................................................for a Palestinian Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotpilot Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 (edited) lot of talk about these also `i snapped this pic at maybrook ny day before yesterday ` that is a( skinya) isn`t it ? guess that`s a freightshaker looking closer Edited January 2, 2017 by carlotpilot Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 3 hours ago, logtruckman said: Can someone answer as to why every other truck maker offers the full size 120 or longer BBC and offers 15 or 16 liter engines and sleepers but mack can't make one model like that . I mean really ? How hard it is it to make a extended hood chu offer mp10 or even a cummins and front axle ratings up to 20k and big rears ??????? How the he'll hard is it to that ??? All you would have to do is extend the hood. Set back or set forward. The chassis being shared by the VN, is ready to take all power plants. It is that simple. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 5 hours ago, bbigrig said: They would have to make a lot of changes to the granite for the 16L implant. Not enough room under the hood. I also agree with the above comments. Titan was rushed into production and to this day has a lot of stupid design flaws such as the height of the cab and hood for no good reason. If a VN can cool a D16 with a sloped hood and cab close to the frame...... Drive a Titan......You'll change your opinion on the cab being to high. I also believe it's the same cab height as the Aussie trucks. I had a hi/lo splitter valve on the Titan blow apart the other day. We crawled between the cab and frame to change it. Took a whole 15 minutes. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/48150-titan-to-be-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-356659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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