Where is MH370?

[kscarbel2]

Today, it was announced that the search for MH370 has been cancelled.

As a frequent flyer, the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing troubles me.

The only thing for sure is the public isn't being told the truth.

I doubt it's in the southern Indian Ocean west of Australia.

Based on its behavior, someone was flying the plane.

Why the 4 hour delay by Malaysia before launching a search?

Why were reported and creditable sightings ignored?

Last September, when Russian fighter jets turned off their transponders as they flew into Syria in an attempt to avoid detection, our government bragged that U.S. satellites rapidly saw that the aircraft were there. After all, we have the global satellite overage second to none.

And yet, during MH370's alleged 7-1/2 hour flight to the unknown, not one satellite for even a minute saw this huge Boeing 777 aircraft ???

Ladies and gentlemen, that is impossible for me to believe.

 

[Dirtymilkman]

So what are the theories?

[j hancock]

It is probably in North Korea for use in a future plan by Kim Jong Un.

[41chevy]

Tracking showed the A/c climbed to high alt briefly,  if the pilots were on O2 and the passengers weren't, if the plane was intentionally depressurized , the passengers would be dead in minutes. Than take it where you wish. Probably will show up in an attack eventually. 

Edited January 17, 2017 by 41chevy

[BillyT]

The average person hears what the govt wants them to hear! Kscarbel, I  recall hearing a year or so ago that some pieces of debris were found and positively identified as off 370! Was this a smokescreen so we would  all assume the plane had crashed and lose interest in it when they knew what had actually taken place and were trying to prevent public panic?

[kscarbel2]

2 hours ago, BillyT said:

The average person hears what the govt wants them to hear! Kscarbel, I  recall hearing a year or so ago that some pieces of debris were found and positively identified as off 370! Was this a smokescreen so we would all assume the plane had crashed and lose interest in it when they knew what had actually taken place and were trying to prevent public panic?

I think yes.

[41chevy]

6 hours ago, BillyT said:

The average person hears what the govt wants them to hear! Kscarbel, I  recall hearing a year or so ago that some pieces of debris were found and positively identified as off 370! Was this a smokescreen so we would  all assume the plane had crashed and lose interest in it when they knew what had actually taken place and were trying to prevent public panic?

 

3 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

I think yes.

We lived 1/2 mile from where flight 800 went down. Three things that were initally mentioned and than denied. 1) the Navy was in the area conducting tests with a frigate, a sub and a pair of fighters. 2) flight 800 was a half hour early because the ELAL flight that should have been there in that time frame was delayed by engine problems. 3) witnesses including a charter fishing boat, the Suffolk Police Marine Patrol and roughly 200 people saw a missile track, including video of it.  All later explained away. Same as the Malaysia flight.

[kscarbel2]

New Zealand oil field worker Mike McKay is adamant he saw the burning wreckage of infamous Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 crash into the South China Sea last year.

The Boeing 777 with its 239 passengers and crew vanished en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8 2014.

But 57-year-old Mr McKay believes the search effort was in the wrong area.

"Almost a year has passed, but I stand by what I saw," he says.

"I've thought about it and thought about it, over and over and while I cannot say for certain that the burning object in the sky was definitely MH370, the timing fits in with when the Malaysian plane lost contact. 

"If it was MH370 I cannot imagine how it could have continued flying. It could only have come down in the South China Sea.

"I have been trying to disprove that what I saw was the aeroplane ever since."

McKay believed he saw Flight MH370 ablaze as it flew over the horizon in the South China Sea.

The reported sighting took place after McKay had gone to bed on the oil-rig Songa Mercur, off the coast of Vietnamese town Vung Tau, at around 7pm.

The New Zealander got up at around midnight looking for a cigarette and a coffee.

"I got up at around midnight Vietnam Time, which is one hour ahead of Malaysian time, and wandered around to an area at the back as usual for a cigarette and a coffee," he said.

"It was a beautiful night with good visibility because it had been raining, which always tends to clear the air.

"I saw a sudden glow of fire above the horizon – which caught my immediate attention – although, of course I could not have known whether it was definitely an aircraft or not."

Mr McKay penned an email to Vietnamese officials describing the incident three days later.

"I believe I saw the Malaysian Airlines plane come down. The timing is right," he wrote.

McKay wrote in his email that he had tried to contact Malaysia and Vietnamese officials "several days earlier" before.

In his letter, he records the longitude and latitude of his location when he saw the "sudden glow of fire".

He added: "I observed (the plane?) burning at high altitude on a compass bearing of 265 degrees to 275 degrees from our surface location.

"While I observed the burning (plane) it appeared to be in ONE piece.

"From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds. 

"There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary (falling) or going away from our location." (sic)

The oil-rig worker, who worked in the oil and gas exploration industry for some 30 years, was "kicked off" the Songa Mercur rig after his email went public.

McKay later made a statement to New Zealand Police for Interpol on his return home from the rig.

"There's a lot about this whole affair that niggles me and I've considered numerous questions as to whether there has been a cover up or there has been a show of inefficiency," he added.

"I learned that Malaysian military had picked up a possible signal over Penang [an island off the west coast of the Malaysian peninsular] but didn't report it immediately.

"Of course, if it was from the plane, it means that contrary to my belief that it had come down in the South China Sea it had managed to turn around and fly back across the mainland.

"But what has also annoyed me is the fact that the Vietnamese searchers were stood-down after performing one flight based on my observation before the whole search effort was moved to the other side of the peninsular."

[kscarbel2]

A Malaysian woman on a flight across the Indian Ocean claimed to have seen an aircraft in the water near the Andaman Islands on the day the jet disappeared.

The Kuala Lumpur wife was so convinced about what she saw at 2.30pm on March 8, several hours after MH370 vanished, that she filed an official report with police that very day, five days before the search for the plane was expanded to the area around the Andaman Islands.

Mrs Latife Dalelah, 53, said she had received scorn about her account, including from a pilot who said the aircraft she was on would have been too high for her to have seen anything on the ocean below.

But she insists that she saw a silver object in the shape of an aircraft on the water as she was flying from Jeddah to Kuala Lumpur. It was about an hour after her aircraft had flown past the southern Indian city of Chennai.

'Throughout the journey I was staring out of the window of the aircraft as I couldn't sleep during the flight,' she told the New Straits Times.

The in-flight monitor showed that her plane was crossing the Indian Ocean and she had seen several ships and islands - before she saw the silvery object.

'I took a closer look and was shocked to see what looked like the tail and wing of an aircraft on the water,' she said.

'I woke my friends on the flight but they laughed me off,' she added.

The same reaction has come from a pilot who questioned how anyone flying at about seven miles above sea level could see anything like a boat or ship from so high up.

But Dalelah insisted to the paper: 'I know what I saw. I am convinced that I saw the aircraft. I will not lie. I had just returned from my pilgrimage.'

A large part of what she thought was an aircraft was submerged, she said. When she tried to tell an air stewardess what she had seen, she was told to get some sleep.

When her plane landed at Kuala Lumpur at about 4pm on that Saturday she told her children what she had seen. 'That is when they told me that MH370 had gone missing.'

'My son-in-law, a policeman, was convinced that I had seen an aircraft and asked me to lodge a police report the same day.

The islands lie across a route MH370 could have taken after radar contact was lost and it would easily have been able to reach them before Mrs Dalelah's sighting at 2.30pm.

After its transponder was turned off at 1.21am on March 8 the plane, with enough fuel to last 2,500 miles, turned west, following an established route towards India.

An ephemeral satellite ping registered at 8.11am suggested the plane was heading in one of two directions - south to where the potential debris was spotted, or north into China and central Asia.

The Andaman Islands lie 890 miles to the north-west of Kuala Lumpur, well within range.

Officials still haven't ruled out MH370 being found in a northerly location, with aircraft and ships renewing their search in the Andaman Sea between India and Thailand on Friday.

[kscarbel2]

Fresh testimonies from a small island community in the Maldives has reignited reports that missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 could have crashed over 5000 kilometres away from the official search led by Australian authorities.

Locals from the island of Kudahuvadhoo, located in the southern area of the Dhaalu Atoll in the Maldives, reported witnessing 'a low-flying jumbo jet' on the morning of March 8 last year, when the flight disappeared while travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

The reports come as acoustic scientists from Curtin University refuse to rule out the possibility that 'distinctive' data they recorded from the area at the assumed time of the crash may have come from the impact of the aircraft as it hit the Indian Ocean. 

Despite an exhaustive search that is underway along a 600 square kilometre arc approximately 1800 kilometres southwest of Perth, locals from the island believe they identified red and blue markings, similar to those of the missing plane, on a large passenger jet which flew over the island on the morning of the MH370's disappearance. 

Villagers from the community of 3500 say many on the island saw the passenger plane, and were interviewed by police and testified with signed statements to what they witnessed.

'I'm very sure of what I saw on a very clear and bright day, and what I saw was not normal- the plane was very big, and low. I did not know until later that other people saw it too. I don't know if it's the Malaysia plane', said Ahmed Shiyaam, 34, an IT manager.

Abdu Rasheed Ibrahim said he saw the plane flying towards him over the water, and did not know at the time that it could be the missing Malaysian Airlines flight.

'I didn't know that a plane was missing. I went straight home and told my wife about it. I told my family, "I saw this strange plane". This is the biggest plane I have ever seen from this island...I have seen pictures of the missing plane- I believe I saw the plane...I strongly felt those people who were searching should come here,' Mr Ibrahim said.

The Maldvies National Defence Force released a statement in March last year which denied that there had been any aircrafts in the area at the time of the disappearance, which locals have branded as an attempt to hide the limitations of their radar facilities.  

A local media outlet reported that witnesses saw the plane was travelling north to southeast, and that the plane was travelling so low it's doors could be seen. 

'I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly,' an eyewitness said..

'It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too.' 

The plane dropped off the civilian radar after its transponder and other equipment were switched off shortly after takeoff from Kuala Lumpur. It was then tracked by Malaysia’s military radar heading towards the Indian Ocean. 

The reports from Kudahuvadhoo follow information released from Curtin University that a 'clear acoustic signal' was recorded at a time reasonably consistent with the timeline of the plane's disappearance.

Dr Alec Duncan and his associates from the university's Centre for Marine Science and Technology began investigating a low-frequency underwater sound signal which was recorded west of Rottnest Island just after 1:30 am UTC on March 8.

The Centre, along with United Nations’ Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organisation (CTBTO) and Geoscience Australia were involved in investigating data that might prove helpful to the search, and originally determined that the noise's source was close to the Maldives and Kudahuvadhoo.

'Data from one of the IMOS (Integrated Marine Observing System) recorders showed a clear acoustic signal at a time that was reasonably consistent with other information relating to the disappearance of MH370,' Dr Duncan said in a statement released by Curtin University.

'The crash of a large aircraft in the ocean would be a high energy event and expected to generate intense underwater sounds.'

Dr Duncan said that the noise may have been due to a geological event, including a small earth tremor, but the timing piqued the interest of his research team.

'It would be more correct to say that our team has identified an approximate possible location for the origin of a noise that is probably of geological origin, but cannot be ruled out as being connected with the loss of MH370,' he said.

[kscarbel2]

A British yachtswoman believes she saw a burning aircraft over the Indian Ocean on the night that flight MH370 vanished.

Katherine Tee, 41, from Liverpool, described spotting what looked like a jet with ‘orange lights’ and trailing a plume of smoke.

The 41-year-old, who had been at sea for about 13 months with her husband, had kept the spotting of the plane to herself as she was unaware of its significance at the time.

But now, she's decided to break her silence and has filed an official report with authorities.

Ms Tee said she thought she was ‘mad’ when she spotted the fiery object in the night sky while sailing from Cochin, India with husband Marc Horn, 50. She was alone on deck when she saw the aircraft.

'I was on a night watch. My husband was asleep below deck and our one other crew member was asleep on deck,' she said..

'I saw something that looked like a plane on fire. That's what I thought it was. Then, I thought I must be mad… It caught my attention because I had never seen a plane with orange lights before, so I wondered what they were.

'I could see the outline of the plane, it looked longer than planes usually do. There was what appeared to be black smoke streaming from behind it.'

'There were two other planes passing well above it – moving the other way – at that time. They had normal navigation lights. I remember thinking that if it was a plane on fire that I was seeing, the other aircraft would report it,' she said.

'And then, I wondered again why it had such bright orange lights. They reminded me of sodium lights. I thought it could be some anomaly or just a meteor.

'It was approaching to cross behind our stern from the north. When I checked again later, it had moved across the stern and was moving away to the south.'

Ms Tee explained that she kept her observance to herself as the long voyage had taken a toll on her marriage.

She hadn't spoken to her husband for about a week and it wasn't until she arrived in Phuket on March 10 that she first heard of the MH370 tragedy.

Ms Tee said she told local yachties what she thought she had seen.

'Some suggested I should say something, that [what I saw] might have been it. Most said that the flight was heading toward Vietnam. I wasn't sure of the date or time [of the sighting]. I am still not,' she said.

'I did think that what I saw would add little, and be dismissed with the thousands of other sightings that I assumed were being reported. I thought that the authorities would be able to track [the plane's] GPS log, which I assumed was automatically transmitted, or something like that.

'Most of all, I wasn't sure of what I saw. I couldn't believe it myself, and didn't think anyone would believe me when I was having trouble believing my own eyes.

'I didn't even consider putting out a Mayday at the time. Imagine what an idiot I would have looked like if I was mistaken, and I believed I was. So I dismissed it, and got on with the business of fixing myself and my marriage.'

It was only when she heard some news on a radio report last Saturday explaining that a survey ship involved in the search for MH370 was returning to port due to technical problems.

This is what prompted Ms Tee to tell her husband and then began reviewing her yacht's log. 

'That is when we checked our GPS log and realized that perhaps I really did see it,' she said.

It was then discovered that the couple's 40-foot vessel was near one of the projected flight paths for MH370.

A map was created by Cruisers Forum member 'europaflyer' by using Google Earth to show the yacht's position compared with the projected flight path for MH370.

The map unveiled that the plane would have passed the yacht astern from port to starboard, which is just as Ms Tee had recalled.

'This is what convinced me… to file a report with the full track data for our voyage to the relevant authorities,' she said.

The couple filed the report with the Joint Agency Coordination Center (JACC) on Saturday and the Australian organization tasked with coordinating the search for MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean. They also followed up with a second email to the JACC on Sunday.

[kscarbel2]

In the middle of the night, two fishermen near the Malaysia-Thailand border saw a plane flying low over the South China Sea -- at the same time that air traffic controllers lost contact with Flight 370 over the same body of water, at 1:30 a.m. or almost 50 minutes after takeoff.

Fisherman Azid Ibrahim and a friend had taken people fishing that night off the coast of Kota Bharu.

"I was fishing when I saw the plane -- it looked strange. Flying low. I told my friend that's not normal. Normally, it flies at 35,000 feet. But that night it touched the clouds. I thought the pilot must be crazy," Ibrahim said.

"It was really low. I saw the lights they looked like the size of a coconut," he said.

Their fishing grounds lay under a flight path, but the predawn plane was unusual to see because of its low altitude, they said.

The fishermen filed a police report about their sighting, but Malaysian officials never commented.

[kscarbel2]

I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories. That said, my gut feeling is these two former navy seals didn’t die from an overdose.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

CBS News  /  February 24, 2014

Police on the island nation of Seychelles say that two former U.S. Navy SEALs found dead aboard the ship Maersk Alabama died of respiratory failure and were suspected to have had heart attacks, possibly from drug use.

The police said Monday that a syringe and traces of heroin were found in their cabin. Police said samples are being sent to Mauritius for analysis to establish if the men had consumed "a substance" that could have caused the health failures.

Officials named the two men as Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44.

They worked for the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group.

The U.S. Coast Guard is also investigating the deaths.

The two men worked for U.S.-based Trident Security. Former military personnel frequently provide security on board ships sailing through the waters off Somalia to provide security against pirate attacks.

Trident Security was founded by former U.S. Navy SEALs in 2000 and employs former special warfare operators to provide security.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) states that Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) experts remain “puzzled” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” a Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to their vast and highly-secretive Indian Ocean base located on the Diego Garcia atoll.

According to this report, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (also marketed as China Southern Airlines flight 748 through a codeshare) was a scheduled passenger flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China, when on 8 March this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft “disappeared” in flight with 227 passengers on board from 15 countries, most of whom were Chinese, and 12 crew members.

Interesting to note, this report says, was that Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama, this report continues, was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

Both Kennedy and Reynolds were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

Upon GRU “assests” confirming that this “highly suspicious” cargo was aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on 8 March, this report notes, Moscow notified China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) of their concerns and received “assurances” that “all measures” would be taken as to ascertain what was being kept so hidden when this aircraft entered into their airspace.

However, this report says, and as yet for still unknown reasons, the MSS was preparing to divert Flight 370 from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island).

Prior to entering the People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, this report continues, Flight 370 “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.

Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts in this report say, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.

China Mobile had extended phone coverage in the Spratly Islands in 2011 so that PLA soldiers stationed on the islands, fishermen, and merchant vessels within the area would be able to use mobile services, and can also provide assistance during storms and sea rescues.

As to how the US Navy was able to divert Flight 370 to its Diego Garcia base, this report says, appears to have been accomplished remotely as this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft is equipped with a fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface allowing it to be controlled like any drone-type aircraft.

However, this report notes, though this aircraft can be controlled remotely, the same cannot be said of its communication systems which can only be shut down manually; and in the case of Flight 370, its data reporting system was shut down at 1:07 a.m., followed by its transponder (which transmits location and altitude) which was shut down at 1:21 a.m.

[kscarbel2]

Investigators have discovered the runways of five airports near the Indian Ocean loaded into Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s home-made flight simulator.

“The simulation programs are based on runways at the Male International Airport in Maldives, an airport owned by the United States (Diego Garcia), and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka, all have runway lengths of 1,000 metres.”

“We are not discounting the possibility that the plane landed on a runway that might not be heavily monitored, in addition to the theories that the plane landed on sea, in the hills, or in an open space.”

Although Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein denied yesterday that the plane had landed at US military base Diego Garcia, this possibility will still be investigated based on the data found in Zaharie’s flight simulator software.

The police had seized the flight simulator from the 53-year-old pilot’s house in Shah Alam on Saturday.

Also on Saturday, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said MH370 was diverted deliberately after someone on board switched off the Boeing 777’s communications systems.

After MH370 disappeared from civilian radar in the early hours of March 8, the plane was flown westward from its intended path to Beijing, turning around at Checkpoint Igari in the South China Sea.

From there, it flew on to Checkpoint Vampi, northeast of Indonesia’s Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East.

Subsequent plots indicate the plane flew towards Checkpoint Gival, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another checkpoint, Igrex, used for route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.

[DailyDiesel]

Aside from the last two articles mentioned the running theme from the rest of include the follow points.

1. Numerous witnesses saw the plane where it shouldn't be and many more saw it crashing and/or wreckage.

2. Government agencies from a dozen countries failed and/or were incompetent at monitoring their airspace and conducting follow up investigations. 

 

[Vladislav]

Seems like too many different country officials should hide facts. So it must be a big game if we try to imagine it such way.

As far as I remember local media didn't spread info flows of any facts Russian radar or satellite system located and American authorities denied, as they use to do recently sharing any event as "Russia provides very good and Americans are bad guys at the same time". 

[kscarbel2]

I find it odd that neither President Obama nor President Xi* have ever mentioned MH370. I believe something significant happened, and they united to deal with it.

* There were 14 nationalities represented in the 227 passengers and 12 crew on MH370. The majority, 153 people, were Chinese.