View of the Democat protest

[41chevy]

Let the sarcastic remarks begin.

[Dirtymilkman]

That says it all......

[Red Horse]

Well talk about contrasts.  I had  Fox on this morning and we are watching the prayer service.  I then go to "my space" (or wife's "craft space") and continue watching as Fox then continues news coverage.  Go back downstairs and wife has CNN on and of course they are giving all kinds of glowing coverage to the real big story of the day, the Womens March!  They cut to Boston Common and Pocahontas Warren is in the middle of one of her favorite rants on the right of everyone to a free college education.  

Guaranteed the "march" will get all the network news coverage today.  I guess if there IS a bright side to all of this,  the March Loons ( Warren, Michael Moore, Gloria Steinem etc.) did plenty of bashing of the "old school Democrats as well and... "we have to throw them out too."

Hmnn. no mention made of putting an honest candidate up the next time.

Hopefully all of this bullshit will keep the Donald on his toes

[Brocky]

This morning's local news, an NBC affiliate, had almost as much time about the protests as about the inauguration. I guess the NBC owners are still as sore as George Soros about the election outcome!!

[41chevy]

47 minutes ago, Red Horse said:

Well talk about contrasts.  I had  Fox on this morning and we are watching the prayer service.  I then go to "my space" (or wife's "craft space") and continue watching as Fox then continues news coverage.  Go back downstairs and wife has CNN on and of course they are giving all kinds of glowing coverage to the real big story of the day, the Womens March!  They cut to Boston Common and Pocahontas Warren is in the middle of one of her favorite rants on the right of everyone to a free college education.  

Guaranteed the "march" will get all the network news coverage today.  I guess if there IS a bright side to all of this,  the March Loons ( Warren, Michael Moore, Gloria Steinem etc.) did plenty of bashing of the "old school Democrats as well and... "we have to throw them out too."

Hmnn. no mention made of putting an honest candidate up the next time.

Hopefully all of this bullshit will keep the Donald on his toes

Don't forget Main stream media likened Trumps speech to Hilters

http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/01/msnbc-host-rips-donald-trump-inauguration-speech-compares-it-to-hitler-in-epic-takedown-001411789.html

 

 

[Red Horse]

Well tonight I caught a lot of interviews involving "marchers"  My guess? Maybe 25% made some sort of sense.  The rest?.. "He is illegitimate -we won the popular vote" - Duh I think if you exclude California, that argument no longer works,  "Black Lives Matter"- Duh-plowing that ground again-lets see-good boy Mike Brown robs a grocer, description goes out on radio, cop spots "good boy" walking down middle of street, cop tells him move to sidewalk, gets a "f*ck you"and next thing you know 285lb POS has hand inside cruiser and cops gun goes off.  I agree-no reason why cop fired the extra shots once he got out of cruiser. And on and on-60 and 70 year olds saying they hadn't done this in years but it was time- I guess we are talking about Vietnam?

 And this goes across all sorts of economic lines.  Typical hipsters and well dressed white women.."well I flew in from Seattle"...      thats a cheap bus ride huh?

Bottom line no chance of these people giving him a chance-at least on the second day.

Now on the negative side, Kelly  Anne has to take this press guy   Spicer out behind the woodshed.  Guy announces a "Press  conference", beats the shit out of the press corp-they deserved it- but he has no style IMO.  A skillfull press guy beats the shit out of them and they say..."thanks-that is the best ass kicking I ever got"  A real rookie.  I was hoping he would get someone like Laura Ingram or Dana Perino in the slot.

But hopefully he will improve with age.  I always thought that was a tough job but as the love in is over, this guy has got to be the best at winning people over to another point of view-and I might be dreaming thinking that is even possible.

[66dc75]

Spicer needs to get a lot better at this real quick. I was watching him last night and he didn't seem quite up to the job.

[TeamsterGrrrl]

For Trump. it's all downhill from here...

[theakerstwo]

You mean you hope/

 

[kscarbel2]

As some here have pointed out, people have a right to protest, their right to freedom of expression.........as long as said protest is peaceful. It appears that most of the thousands of women marchers were peaceful. A handful of male individuals (200 arrested) pelted police with rocks and set a limo on fire (If king for a day, I would confiscate their bank accounts and other assets to pay for all damages and incurred policing costs).  

You can watch the protest on TV if it amuses, or click off the power button on your remote.

The "America first" theme is highly questionable, as it inherently tells every other country that they are going to be second, or further down the ladder. No foreign government or populace is going to enjoy hearing that selfish-sounding tone. Not exactly getting off on the right foot. In any relationship, personal, business or country, success depends on mutual respect and compromise.

Today's world is a much smaller place. We all need to work together.

I understand what Trump meant......his speech writer could have expressed the intended message FAR better. Trump has repeatedly expressed a desire for fairer trade, but not biased trade. "Fair" is all any reasonable person wants.

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Looking at these videos of the protesters, I simply don't see anything wrong here. It's what defines America. Why bash them?

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[kscarbel2]

I clicked past the protests and caught Saturday's big news.

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[Mcrafty1]

18 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

As some here have pointed out, people have a right to protest, their right to freedom of expression.........as long as said protest is peaceful. It appears that most of the thousands of women marchers were peaceful. A handful of male individuals (200 arrested) pelted police with rocks and set a limo on fire (If king for a day, I would confiscate their bank accounts and other assets to pay for all damages and incurred policing costs).  

You can watch the protest on TV if it amuses, or click off the power button on your remote.

The "America first" theme is highly questionable, as it inherently tells every other country that they are going to be second, or further down the ladder. No foreign government or populace is going to enjoy hearing that selfish-sounding tone. Not exactly getting off on the right foot. In any relationship, personal, business or country, success depends on mutual respect and compromise.

Today's world is a much smaller place. We all need to work together.

I understand what Trump meant......his speech writer could have expressed the intended message FAR better. Trump has repeatedly expressed a desire for fairer trade, but not biased trade. "Fair" is all any reasonable person wants.

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Looking at these videos of the protesters, I simply don't see anything wrong here. It's what defines America. Why bash them?

I believe I understand what you are trying to say...But it is time America put it's people 1st. The global community needs to ween themselves off of US tax dollars supporting their causes ahead of our own countries needs. That, at least to me is what I heard President Trump say in his address.

These events can and will be spun to suit the narrative off the author, I personally don't really care what the world thinks about that. Sadly enough, the liberal mantra has been allowed to become thoroughly entrenched in American culture.....America voted this past November to turn away from it, nobody said it would be easy. When you have Half of the American/illegal and legal immigrants in line with the socialist's is it any wonder that they are kicking and screaming about losing their movement? After all up until 9:00 pm EST this past Novrmber 8th  they believed they had ALL or most of this  countries people behind them.....I blame our politicians and the alt- left wing media for that, as we know now that wasn't the case. these people are frantic and they won't go quietly. Anyone that believed they would was not dealing with reality. JMHO

[Mcrafty1]

I might add that it's important to America that President Trump remain resolute in this endeavor....and it can't hurt our cause if we do the same.

[Underdog]

Well said, McCrafty. KS, I respect your worldly knowledge of current events, but what is the problem with putting America first? Yes we are a big part of the global community, but the USA is basically an upstart compared to other cultures. In less than 300 years, we have created the greatest economy and standard of living in the world, far surpassing many other nations thousands of years old. Why is it now our country needs to babysit the rest of the world? Every nation around the globe has its own right to practice its own form of nationalism and put itself first. In fact, it is every governments' duty to its own people. Instead of criticizing America and trying to "level the playing field", maybe they should try our brand of governance "by the people" and they may enjoy the great success that is our American experiment.

[Underdog]

By "babysitting", I mean we contribute far more to world affairs through the UN and other programs than any other nations, but get little in return, and NO respect. Much like the snowflake liberal protesters, they have no concept of individual liberty, because they are incapable of individual responsibility.

[Mcrafty1]

10 hours ago, Underdog said:

By "babysitting", I mean we contribute far more to world affairs through the UN and other programs than any other nations, but get little in return, and NO respect. Much like the snowflake liberal protesters, they have no concept of individual liberty, because they are incapable of individual responsibility.

I do believe you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

[kscarbel2]

On 1/22/2017 at 7:34 PM, Mcrafty1 said:

I believe I understand what you are trying to say...But it is time America put it's people 1st. The global community needs to ween themselves off of US tax dollars supporting their causes ahead of our own countries needs. That, at least to me is what I heard President Trump say in his address.

These events can and will be spun to suit the narrative off the author, I personally don't really care what the world thinks about that. Sadly enough, the liberal mantra has been allowed to become thoroughly entrenched in American culture.....America voted this past November to turn away from it, nobody said it would be easy. When you have Half of the American/illegal and legal immigrants in line with the socialist's is it any wonder that they are kicking and screaming about losing their movement? After all up until 9:00 pm EST this past Novrmber 8th  they believed they had ALL or most of this  countries people behind them.....I blame our politicians and the alt- left wing media for that, as we know now that wasn't the case. these people are frantic and they won't go quietly. Anyone that believed they would was not dealing with reality. JMHO

 

On 1/22/2017 at 9:27 PM, Underdog said:

Well said, McCrafty. KS, I respect your worldly knowledge of current events, but what is the problem with putting America first? Yes we are a big part of the global community, but the USA is basically an upstart compared to other cultures. In less than 300 years, we have created the greatest economy and standard of living in the world, far surpassing many other nations thousands of years old. Why is it now our country needs to babysit the rest of the world? Every nation around the globe has its own right to practice its own form of nationalism and put itself first. In fact, it is every governments' duty to its own people. Instead of criticizing America and trying to "level the playing field", maybe they should try our brand of governance "by the people" and they may enjoy the great success that is our American experiment.

Thank you for clarifying. I’m with you 500 percent.

I don’t think Trump’s wording was clear enough. Standing outside the box, I can see how his “America first” words could be interpreted differently depending on whether one is inside or outside the US.

Speaking of illegal immigrants, if king for a day, I would deport EVERY one. Enter the U.S. legally.......or don't enter. And, I would nullify the U.S. citizenship of every individual born to illegal immigrants in the US.

I am ALL for spending U.S. taxpayer money in the United States, rather than continuing a decades long culture of financing the rest of the world.

At the end of FY 2017 the gross US federal government debt is estimated to be $20.1 trillion. I have a real problem with that. We should operate like a business and keep our books “balanced”.

We can’t afford to be the world’s policeman anymore. BUT, we then must ensure that our armed forces, and its "tools", are second to none, for those moments when we need to "reach out" and send a message (nip something in the bud).

Yes, if we hadn’t abandoned an isolationist tone and entered WW2, the world would be a very different place today. But that’s not today’s situation.

Following WW2, the Marshall Plan and the rebuilding of Japan worked out well. But since then, U.S. global “aid” is beyond “out of control”.

For example, why are we giving Israel $38 billion over the nest 10 years. One of the world’s wealthiest country’s with foreign donors constantly pumping money into it, Israel has no need for U.S. “aid”. There was a time when Israel needed assistance, and the U.S. had the money to offer. But today, Israel no longer needs “aid”, and we don’t have the money.

During the Arab-Israeli Six-Day War, the naval and air forces of Israel attacked the U.S. flagged Belmont-class reconnaissance ship U.S.S. Liberty while it cruised in international waters off the Sinai Peninsula, murdering 34 Americans and wounding 171. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

The U.S. taxpayer has invested hundreds of millions in an Israeli air defense system known as Iron Dome. Why?

Here’s a major sore. We developed a next generation F-16 II. The U.S. Air Force declined to buy it. Our employees in Washington agreed to allow Israel to produce it for themselves. It was called the Lavi program, and go figure, the U.S. taxpayer funded it.

The clincher: Israel didn’t build it, but secretly sold the design information to...........China. And today, the Chengdu (Jian) J-10 fighter is our adversary in the South China Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J-10a_zhas.png). Thank you Israel. Enjoying that dirty money?

A March 1992 report by State Department inspector general Sherman Funk, "Report of Audit: Department of State Defense Trade Controls", states that alleged Israeli violations of US laws and regulations "cited and supported by reliable intelligence information show a systematic and growing pattern of unauthorized transfers ... dating back to about 1983".

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-12-28/news/1994362198_1_lavi-china-and-israel-klemow

Israel again and again has transferred secret U.S. technology to........China. And its' U.S. lobbyists successfully bury it from the view of the U.S. masses.

http://defensetech.org/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china/

Again, with “friends” like that................

Israel has a me, me, me policy. I don’t want “my” tax dollars funding Israel. I’m not on Team Israel, rather, I’m on Team USA.

Afghanistan,  the U.S. taxpayer has spent billions so that Afghan farmers can peacefully harvest opium and send it to the US for refinement into heroin so that Americans can destroy their minds.

Everything you ever wanted to know about U.S. taxpayer foreign aid

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/47330-everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-the-us-foreign-assistance-budget/

The U.S. taxpayer provided (acknowledged) $35 billion of economic aid in 2014

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42614-the-us-provided-35-billion-of-economic-aid-in-2014/#comment-310964

The U.S. taxpayer provided (acknowledged) $37.9 billion of economic aid in 2016

http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2016/03/10/the-countries-set-to-receive-the-most-us-foreign-aid-in-2016-infographic/#6f1abf113433

Our employees in Washington say:  Foreign assistance is aid given by the United States to other countries to support global peace, security, and development efforts, and provide humanitarian relief during times of crisis. It is a strategic, economic, and moral imperative for the United States and vital to U.S. national security.  (http://beta.foreignassistance.gov/)

So basically, they have a blank check to throw U.S. taxpayer money down around the world. After seeing the "official" amount, one wonders what the actual amount is.

[41chevy]

The protesters have a right to protest peacefully, that's one of the things special about our country. I do wonder how many participated in the process or just are there because Hollywood and social media said they should be there or they were paid to be there.   The womans rally, aside from Madonna calling for the White House to be blown up and a few other "famous" women demanding equal rights, equal treatment and equal representation, was peaceful. 

Now the cartoon at the top was to show the childishness of the elected officials who decided not to do what was expected or one of their duties to all the people whom they represent. You may not like or respect the president but should respect the people who elected you to act in their behalf. IMO not supporting the peaceful transition of power dishonors the tradition and their office and the people whom they work for. 

Edited January 24, 2017 by 41chevy

[kscarbel2]

I've been taught a new term, "alternative facts".

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Kellyanne Conway:  “Sean Spicer, our press secretary -- gave 'alternative facts'."

NBC’s Chuck Todd:  “Alternative facts aren't facts, they are falsehoods."

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The message Spicer was told to give made him appear ridiculous. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/us/politics/trump-white-house-briefing-inauguration-crowd-size.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-inauguration-crowd.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/22/us/politics/womens-march-trump-crowd-estimates.html

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The Guardian  /  January 27, 2017

Donald Trump ordered the National Park Service (NPS) director to produce additional photographs of his inauguration crowds, believing the images “might prove that the media had lied” about the size of the audience, according to the Washington Post.

In a Saturday phone call, the president told Michael Reynolds, acting NPS director, that he wanted to see more photos because he thought they could show that the attendance at his Friday swearing-in ceremonies at the National Mall was above average, three sources with knowledge of the conversation told the Post.

Parks spokesman Tom Crosson told the Guardian in an email on Thursday night, “I can confirm the call happened ... but I’m not discussing the content of the call.”

The account from the Post comes as reports in the first week of Trump’s administration have repeatedly suggested that the president has been obsessed with the flurry of news stories that accurately pointed out that the inauguration had a noticeably smaller crowd than the equivalent event in 2009 when Barack Obama was sworn in.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pressured-park-service-to-back-up-his-claims-about-inauguration-crowd/2017/01/26/12a38cb8-e3fc-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.html

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[kscarbel2]

The traditional way of reporting on a president is dead. And Trump’s press secretary killed it.

The Washington Post  /  January 22, 2017

The presidency is not a reality show, but President Trump on his first full day in office made clear that he’s still obsessed with being what he once proudly called “a ratings machine.”

He cares enough about it to send his press secretary, Sean Spicer, out to brazenly lie to the media in his first official briefing.

“This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration — period — both in person and around the globe,” Spicer said. And he added a scolding about widespread reports that differ from his evidence-free assessment: “These attempts to lessen the enthusiasm of the inauguration are shameful and wrong.”

Crowd size experts estimate Trump’s audience at far fewer than the million or more that Trump is claiming, and at far less than the size of the following day’s women’s march, which the new president has said little about.

And side-by-side photographs showed the contrast between the comparatively thin gathering for Trump’s inauguration and the record-setting one in 2009 for former president Barack Obama’s first.

Ari Fleischer, a former George W. Bush press secretary, saw Saturday’s bizarre session for what it was.

“This is called a statement you’re told to make by the President. And you know the President is watching,” Fleischer wrote.

(MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski pegged it as “Sean Spicer’s first hostage video.”)

The mainstream media, including The Washington Post, appropriately made clear note of the falsehoods about crowd size.

The New York Times called out “false claims” in a prominent headline, and many broadcast journalists challenged Spicer immediately — although they didn’t get a chance to do so to his face, since he took no questions.

CNN wisely chose not to air the briefing in full, but to report on it and to show parts, providing context. Fox News showed it in its full glory, infomercial style.

Some journalists, afterward, sounded stunned at what had transpired.

“Astonishing,” said Jim Acosta of CNN. “Jaw meet floor” was the reaction of Glenn Thrush of the New York Times.

The reaction is understandable. Some semblance of truth from the White House ought to be reasonable enough, especially on Day Two.

But nothing about this should shock.

Anyone — citizen or journalist — who is surprised by false claims from the new inhabitant of the Oval Office hasn’t been paying attention. That was reinforced when Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway told “Meet the Press” Sunday that Spicer had been providing “alternative facts” to what the media had reported, making it clear we’ve gone full Orwell.

Official words do matter, but they shouldn’t be what news organizations pay most attention to, as they try to present the truth about a new administration.

White House press briefings are “access journalism,” in which official statements — achieved by closeness to the source — are taken at face value and breathlessly reported as news. And that is over. Dead.

Spicer’s statement should be seen for what it is: Remarks made over the casket at the funeral of access journalism.

As Jessica Huseman of ProPublica put it: “Journalists aren’t going to get answers from Spicer. We are going to get answers by digging. By getting our hands dirty. So let’s all do that.”

She’s right. So was Tim O’Brien, executive editor of Bloomberg View and a Trump biographer, who urged journalists to remember that the White House briefing room is “spoon-feeding and Trump is a habitual fabulist.”

There’s a deeper story here, beyond a single briefing, no matter how memorable. Saturday made clearer than ever that President Trump intends to make the American media his foremost enemy.

During his first official visit to the CIA, Trump once again attacked the media, as he did throughout the campaign as he blacklisted news organizations and called reporters “scum.”

Journalists shouldn’t rise to the bait and decide to treat Trump as an enemy. Recalling at all times that their mission is truth-telling and holding public officials accountable, they should dig in, paying far more attention to actions than to sensational tweets or briefing-room lies — while still being willing to call out falsehoods clearly when they happen.

They also should quickly acknowledge and correct their own inevitable errors, as Time’s Zeke Miller did — multiple times and with an apology — after erroneously reporting that a bust of Martin Luther King Jr. had been removed from the Oval Office.

That didn’t keep the president from making Miller’s reporting error a major issue as he raged during his CIA visit: “This is how dishonest the media is.”

Trump wants a flat-out war with the nation’s media for one well-calculated reason: Because he believes it will continue to serve his political purposes, as it has for months.

Journalists should respond by doing their jobs responsibly, fairly and fearlessly, in service of the public good.

Somebody has to be the grown-up in the room. We’ve just been reminded of who it won’t be.

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[TeamsterGrrrl]

Sadly, the looniness and outright lying of the last few days will be SOP at the Trump White House.

[Underdog]

Sadly, the looniness and outright lying of the last few days will be SOP at the Trump White House.

And I suppose we heard nothing but the truth for the last 50 years.

[TeamsterGrrrl]

There were previous republican administrations, but Trump may have eclipsed them all when it comes to "alternative facts" in just his first weekend in office.

[kscarbel2]

11 hours ago, Underdog said:

And I suppose we heard nothing but the truth for the last 50 years.

At any moment in our lifetimes, I doubt we've ever heard more than 15 percent of the truth.

[Brocky]

I realize it is only a fiction novel but the press is acting exactly how Tom Clancy described it in Executive Orders with their not accepting Ryan as he was not a Washington Insider..

Trump has a lot to learn about handling the press, But let's all of US give him a little while to learn.