Brian71583 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, HeavyGunner said: Sure you can get nice classic looking trucks....just not from Mack. They are out there but the old models evolved into them. These companies would never spend the R&D to design those trucks from the wheels up. Fleets are the big money and they would never buy those trucks either. Although not way back the CH still has some old school looks. Edited September 14, 2017 by Brian71583 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
h67st Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Brian71583 said: They are out there but the old models evolved into them. These companies would never spend the R&D to design those trucks from the wheels up. Fleets are the big money and they would never buy those trucks either. Although not way back the CH still has some old school looks. Actually you could replace the hood on the Anthem with a Superliner-style hood, add classic-looking bumper and battery box, and voila! It would make a nice-looking truck without a ton of R & D. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brian71583 Posted September 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2017 26 minutes ago, h67st said: Actually you could replace the hood on the Anthem with a Superliner-style hood, add classic-looking bumper and battery box, and voila! It would make a nice-looking truck without a ton of R & D. But it would never meet efficiency standards. It would never achieve the 3% gains in fuel economy realized through aero dynamics. Changing the battery box would also change the air tanks and air line routing. Then the bumper (and hood) would not be the 3 piece design being introduced and would not reduce the fleet maintenance/repair costs. So then only the nostalgic buyer would buy it and it wouldn't up our market share like we need to do. I'm with ya, it'd be a cool truck. I'm just saying there was never the expectation for this to be that truck and I don't see it ever happening. But then again I am a nobody I just watch and help my team put them together. For what it is supposed to be I don't think it could have been much, if any, better. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry5332 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Brian71583 said: I've been lurking around here a while, this is my first post. I work at Mack's LVO plant where we build them. Maybe it doesn't translate well in pictures but this really is a nice truck in person. Especially if your expectations are what they have been telling you it will be all along. A highway truck. Which to me will also translate into a fleet truck. As great as it would be to have a Superliner, they're never gonna make one. A small niche of buyers would buy it and Mack would be stuck with another cool truck no one would buy. We're still keeping the Granite, We're still keeping the CH and cabovers, The Anthem still screams Mack. The main body of the cab is nearly exactly the same as the current cab. Redesigned the hood vents. Same shape windshield. Big bold MACK across the grill. I don't think they could have made a better looking truck that met the objectives they needed to hit. Your never gonna get the newer retro Challenger/Camaro/Mustang equivalents in the trucking industry. Trucks are built to serve a purpose and make money. I'm not a fleet driver but an owner operator, I for one agree with you. I think this is a pretty sharp looking ride, I'm liking the interior also and really want to see a top of the line version. Did the CH receive any exterior upgrades? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 Heavy Gunner. IMHO the Pinnacle axle forward competes looks wise with Paccar Diamler and Navistar. They just lack the big bore. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian71583 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, larry5332 said: I'm not a fleet driver but an owner operator, I for one agree with you. I think this is a pretty sharp looking ride, I'm liking the interior also and really want to see a top of the line version. Did the CH receive any exterior upgrades? No exterior upgrades aside from the subtle hood upgrade introduced last year. All convention models will get the new interior. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 This us the best picture I've seen looks nice kinda like the western star 5700 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry5332 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Brian71583 said: No exterior upgrades aside from the subtle hood upgrade introduced last year. All convention models will get the new interior. So when will these new rides be showing up at the dealership? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcrow Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Looks like that hood will bolt right up to an axle back ch. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fjh Posted September 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Brian71583 said: I've been lurking around here a while, this is my first post. I work at Mack's LVO plant where we build them. Maybe it doesn't translate well in pictures but this really is a nice truck in person. Especially if your expectations are what they have been telling you it will be all along. A highway truck. Which to me will also translate into a fleet truck. As great as it would be to have a Superliner, they're never gonna make one. A small niche of buyers would buy it and Mack would be stuck with another cool truck no one would buy. We're still keeping the Granite, We're still keeping the CH and cabovers, The Anthem still screams Mack. The main body of the cab is nearly exactly the same as the current cab. Redesigned the hood vents. Same shape windshield. Big bold MACK across the grill. I don't think they could have made a better looking truck that met the objectives they needed to hit. Your never gonna get the newer retro Challenger/Camaro/Mustang equivalents in the trucking industry. Trucks are built to serve a purpose and make money. This truck will grow on me As did the granite ! However the comment that the truck was built to make money Falls short as the the main way, now a days to earn money with this or any truck is to keep it out of the shop This remains to be seen ! Have they addressed the any engine related issues plaguing these engines for years now ie injector cups .They claim to have a more efficient design on the after treatment how ever time will tell , They still fit them with substandard sensors and poor quality wire! Not to say anyone else is doing any different just Sayin There is more to this than looks! UPTIME! Edited September 14, 2017 by fjh 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbigrig Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I'm interested. Requested the Canadian demo from my dealer when it becomes available months ago. I like that it looks more like a CH with the bunk space we need. Don't like that steering wheel. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian71583 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, fjh said: This truck will grow on me As did the granite ! However the comment that the truck was built to make money Falls short as the the main way, now a days to earn money with this or any truck is to keep it out of the shop This remains to be seen ! Have they addressed the any engine related issues plaguing these engines for years now ie injector cups .They claim to have a more efficient design on the after treatment how ever time will tell , They still fit them with substandard sensors and poor quality wire! Not to say anyone else is doing any different just Sayin There is more to this than looks! UPTIME! Mechanically a lot of its the same but Mack introduces incremental changes all the time. A year or so ago they introduced a new after treatment system that honestly at my end I have no idea how its reliability is turning out. I know we have instituted tons of special and torque controlled tooling with this and other changes around LVO. When they say they are revolutionizing the plant. They are. A lot is changing from equipment to processes. Combine that with the telematics they come with now and the uptime centers hopefully it all pans out nicely. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, james j neiweem said: Heavy Gunner. IMHO the Pinnacle axle forward competes looks wise with Paccar Diamler and Navistar. They just lack the big bore. You're right the pinnacle with the rawhide trim package looks pretty sweet. I still think Mack could make a classic looking truck with a big bore and it would sell. Or just bring the titan back or the trident over to the US. Edited September 14, 2017 by HeavyGunner Damn autocorrect 1 Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) Saw the image with some shiny parts on it in BBIGRIG's post, it does look better. IMO moving the alien eyes down to the hood sides or top of fenders would make it more acceptable. That said, the comments and opinions on the Anthem I showed to my uncle who did MACK service from 1950 to 1993. His thoughts were, that we said the same things when the B was replaced by the R models. They thought MACK killed the brand! So I guess it's all the normal thought process. I will reserve my final opinions when I physically, eyeball, touch and sit in one. Paul Edited September 15, 2017 by 41chevy 2 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I am glad the Anthem will still offer Mack driveline components. I wonder if they eventually offer big Cummins engines. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
upsman Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Any interior shots anywhere? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian71583 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Here is some of the dash and one of the sleeper found around the internet. Also a pic of the smaller sleeper. I think I actually like the 48" sleeper better than the 72" That truck looks tough. I did read somewhere on the internet last night that along with the roll out of this that the CH will get a new grille along the lines of what you see on the Anthem. I have not heard anything about that at work. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian71583 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Disclaimer since I work at Mack: I did not take this picture, I have not heard about any of these changes at work. This picture and details were found on the web and I have no details or confirmation Apparently the CH is getting a new anthem style grille, LED headlights, along with the new interior. Studying this picture it appears its getting the new stand up sleeper box from the Anthem too but in the past I was told that is not the case so who knows. Information is never reliable until its rolling down the line. I do not know how I feel about this picture. At first I HATED it, but its growing on me. Mack sure likes this color though. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Now that's a way better looking rig. 1 Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 53 minutes ago, HeavyGunner said: Now that's a way better looking rig. That new grill is almost Brockway looking . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 Like that new pinnacle (chu) if it comes to pass. I wonder where the picture came from? Brian its good to have a factory insider again. Just don't get in trouble. Show and tell what you can and no more. I see the pinnacle axle back is off of the website now. Vision(cx) and Pinnacle axle back (cxu) have been relegated to history. Yes the new Anthem is sort of WS 5700ish. I like them both. The hood mirrors probably need a couple of options ie. side of hood. Those mirrors popping out of the hood kind of remind me of the old L models with the exhaust stacks coming out of the hood. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian71583 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 28 minutes ago, james j neiweem said: Like that new pinnacle (chu) if it comes to pass. I wonder where the picture came from? Brian its good to have a factory insider again. Just don't get in trouble. Show and tell what you can and no more. I see the pinnacle axle back is off of the website now. Vision(cx) and Pinnacle axle back (cxu) have been relegated to history. Yes the new Anthem is sort of WS 5700ish. I like them both. The hood mirrors probably need a couple of options ie. side of hood. Those mirrors popping out of the hood kind of remind me of the old L models with the exhaust stacks coming out of the hood. After looking around the web more I feel a little more confident talking about the CH but I'v really learned of this this morning. The pictures appear to be at our customer center test track in Allentown where a media event has been going on since the reveal. There is a convoy of trucks that left there this morning (Including the pictured CH) heading to the show in Atlanta. It looks like what has been mentioned and pictured is how the CH will be. Especially if its rolling to the show as we speak. Some publications have pictures similar to mine of the CH on their sites if your good at Google. Its really amazing how well they can keep some stuff secret, even from us. In my position I personally saw the new truck months ago but probably 3/4 of the workforce here never saw the new truck in its entirety until the reveal. They were only produced to leave the line at certain times. Covered on line except for the current operation being performed and then whisked away to disappear right away. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Brian71583 said: Disclaimer since I work at Mack: I did not take this picture, I have not heard about any of these changes at work. This picture and details were found on the web and I have no details or confirmation Apparently the CH is getting a new anthem style grille, LED headlights, along with the new interior. Studying this picture it appears its getting the new stand up sleeper box from the Anthem too but in the past I was told that is not the case so who knows. Information is never reliable until its rolling down the line. I do not know how I feel about this picture. At first I HATED it, but its growing on me. Mack sure likes this color though. Look good, typical Mack. I slip a full chrome grill on it to give it the Titan or Superliner influence. Paul Edited September 15, 2017 by 41chevy 1 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
upsman Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 I like the flat spot on the bottom of steering wheel, no more rubbing on the belly! Lol Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Pommerening Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 43 minutes ago, upsman said: I like the flat spot on the bottom of steering wheel, no more rubbing on the belly! Lol Good idea. Remember driving with a couple more "round" drivers, they would have little pin hole in thier t-shirts from the steering wheel rubbing on the "roundness." Seen a couple steering wheels with that shape on custom street rods. Maybe another take on the white stripe you see on race cars so drivers can tell when wheels are straight with drag strip. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/49988-new-mack-for-the-fall/page/4/#findComment-379805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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