grayhair Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) At the bottom of a giant corporate cesspool one can find VW and FCJ. Devoid of management character and principle, they chose to cheat on emissions testing rather than meet the standards, or lobby for an exception, or lobby for changes to make the requirements more reasonable. Now, apparently, not to be outdone, it appears GM has sunk to the same level. IMHO all three of these companies are excrement. I cross them off my list of potentials when I need a new vehicle. Hopefully Toyota, Ford, and Hyundai are not similarly guilty of this kind of scummy fraud. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/shareholder-alert-bronstein-gewirtz-grossman-141000692.html Edited June 2, 2017 by grayhair Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RoadwayR Posted June 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2017 Well, keep in mind GM has not been accused of any 'cheating' by the EPA, at least not yet. Take a look at who Bronstein, Gewirtz, and Grossman LLC is and what they specialize in. My guess is that Ford is next, and keep in mind Toyota and Hyundai don't sell diesel light trucks in the U.S.. Really staring to think diesel engines are on the way out. I think it is going to be too expensive to clean them up to the standards the EPA is calling for, 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HeavyGunner Posted June 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2017 It's so unfortunate that over restrictive, poorly thought out EPA regs have kept out proven engines with longevity and great mileage (which is never taken into account as far as emissions to create new ones goes) from hthe US and ruined the longevity and mileage of most of proven engines in th US. 3 Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 GM accused in lawsuit of using VW-like defeat devices https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46212-diesel-car-light-truck-news/?page=5 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayhair Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, kscarbel2 said: GM accused in lawsuit of using VW-like defeat devices https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/46212-diesel-car-light-truck-news/?page=5 I just read the articles in the link. Interesting that Bosch doesn't admit to any wrongdoing but is willing to pay a $327 mil. fine. Not something innocent parties do. And talk about hypocrisy. How does an Angela Merkle square her rhetoric with the actions of some of Germany's major employers. How about fix your own damn house? Blowhard politician. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paris climate agreement: Angela Merkel, world leaders slam Trump https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/...paris-agreement.../102390936/ 1 day ago - World leaders on Thursday condemned President Trump's decision to pull out of the Parisclimate agreement. Although the president said he is ... Anhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/merkel-blasts-trump-paris-agreement-opec-russia-warn-us-move/gela Merkel, the German Chancellor said the US stance on Paris was “extremely regrettable” and vowed to press ahead with honouring German commitments to the deal. "This decision can't and won't stop all of us who feel a duty to protect the planet,” she said. The pastor's daughter said the accord was necessary "to preserve our Creation", and protect "Mother Earth". Edited June 2, 2017 by grayhair 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kscarbel2 Posted June 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, grayhair said: I just read the articles in the link. Interesting that Bosch doesn't admit to any wrongdoing but is willing to pay a $327 mil. fine. Not something innocent parties do. And talk about hypocrisy. How does an Angela Merkle square her rhetoric with the actions of some of Germany's major employers. How about fix your own damn house? Blowhard politician. "Listen, I'm a politician which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops. But it also means I keep my options open" 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 One thing with Merkle and many other EU members, they want our money but otherwise want us out of their decisions and policies. The anti American views are mainly German, because they do not like Trump. Germany and some EU members even want their own common defense forces and NATO limited in some of the EU member countries. 2 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keith Pommerening Posted June 6, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2017 Will not hurt GM. If there is a problem, the taxpayers will just bail them out AGAIN. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grayhair Posted June 6, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Keith Pommerening said: Will not hurt GM. If there is a problem, the taxpayers will just bail them out AGAIN. I fear GM has the same problem as did Ford, empty suit at the helm. Ford dumped Mark Fields. Now, the GM Board should wise up and dump their empty suit. Mary Barra was much heralded, but IMHO she was / is much ado about not much. http://www.autoblog.com/2015/01/21/gm-buying-awards-mary-barra-report/ Edited June 6, 2017 by grayhair 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol2Stroker Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Being that the emissions regulations are complete bullsh*t, I fully support any company that finds a way to skirt them. More so if they get away with it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayhair Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 On 6/8/2017 at 11:53 PM, wayne64ss said: Being that the emissions regulations are complete bullsh*t, I fully support any company that finds a way to skirt them. More so if they get away with it. Wow, I think you are missing the point. It is about playing by the rules whether or not you agree with them. So you're OK with a corporate culture of cheating as long as it doesn't immediately and directly affect you? How about cheating on windshield safety glass specs? Or cheating on brake systems? Or the seldom needed emergency exit doors on school buses? Or the four-way flashers on your mother's car if they only work when being tested during an inspection? Maybe you could review these other regulations and let us know which ones it would be good for vehicle manufactures to "skirt?" https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=1&ty=HTML&h=L&mc=true&=PART&n=pt49.5.393#se49.5.393_161 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-371820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol2Stroker Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I think you're comparing apples and oranges. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-372197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamsterGrrrl Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 VW chose a poor way to protest excessive regulation, and it's backfired badly. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-372198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Quote VW chose a poor way to protest excessive regulation, and it's backfired badly Boy, is that being kind. VW was greedy and like many of the rich all they were interested in is getting richer by cheating at the expense of the rest of us. I hope someone gets a tobacco type settlement against them for putting all of us at risk for lung diseases. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-372334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamsterGrrrl Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Not so much greedy as driven (too hard)- VW like many European companies stock is more like a share in the Green Bay Packers than a profitable stock. VW is paying plenty too, on the order of $25,000,000,000 in damages, buybacks, repairs, and fines. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/50043-gm-character-in-question-as-unprincipled-as-vw-and-fcj/#findComment-372338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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