Wellington FJ for sale

[yarnall]

The ATHS has the Wellington FJ for sale again. It was donated to ATHS to stay in New England by the Fox family who owned Wellington at the time of liquidation.  The chapter who cared for it disbanded when ATHS took it away from them.  The club lost a lot of members because of this truck.  

If you are a member of ATHS Please call the office and let them know that you do not want them to sell this truck.  (816) 891- 9900. Right now we, as members, own this truck.  This is the only way many of us will ever own an early F model.  Of course, if you have $150,000, you can buy it for yourself, but most of us don't have that kind of money.  

Thank you,

Michael Yarnall 

http://www.oldmacks.com/trucks.htm

 

Edited June 23, 2017 by yarnall

[Lmackattack]

I remember when this all went down... I gave up my membership when they were playing these games.

[Maddog13407]

same here. I for one other than the national show think ATHS is all about money. it cost a fortune t bring a truck or two to a show AND go yourself. then add the ''tours'' of various places you can go to at the show while your there for no less than $50 or $75. pretty much a disgrace if they sell this truck

[Red Horse]

What is worse here?  Instead of posting it in WOT, they have turned it over to someone to sell.  Not sure what any commission numbers are but when you have a publication that can reach a lot of members, and in particular has its own "want ad" section- why would you outsource this?

I could see if you tried to market it yourself and then had no results but turning it over to someone else right off the bat???

Makes no sense to me-and it continues to be a very sore point here in New England.

[fxfymn]

I won't get into the specifics of this truck because there is a lot of baggage associated with it, but there is another side to the issue of club owned trucks. A lot of us would love to have free perpetual care for our "babies",  but that places an unfair burden on the clubs and chapters who must bear the expenses. What every club needs is a specific policy on donated trucks that spells out to the owners what the club will, or can, do with the donated truck. Usually the best solution is to make it clear that the club may sell the truck as a means to raise money and that there is no guarantee that the truck will remain in the club forever.

Our SPAAMFAA chapter spends thousands of dollars a year on the two club owned trucks we have. Insurance, maintenance, keeping a trailer for them, etc. all adds up. Additionally we are always having issues finding a member who can store and display the trucks. When I was on the board I favored selling them, but the answer always was that a long time member donated the truck and it just wouldn't be right to sell it. So the rest of us get to pay for that member's legacy, a pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

I love looking at the FJ, but I don't know why my dues should pay to keep this truck up? Should dues cover the maintenance of a B-61 that is donated? What about the junker that has sat out back for 20 years? Where do you draw the line? Should members be polled to come up with a list of worthy trucks? And if so do we keep all of them or just the first one donated? 

 

[jackb61sx]

23 hours ago, fxfymn said:

I won't get into the specifics of this truck because there is a lot of baggage associated with it, but there is another side to the issue of club owned trucks. A lot of us would love to have free perpetual care for our "babies",  but that places an unfair burden on the clubs and chapters who must bear the expenses. What every club needs is a specific policy on donated trucks that spells out to the owners what the club will, or can, do with the donated truck. Usually the best solution is to make it clear that the club may sell the truck as a means to raise money and that there is no guarantee that the truck will remain in the club forever.

Our SPAAMFAA chapter spends thousands of dollars a year on the two club owned trucks we have. Insurance, maintenance, keeping a trailer for them, etc. all adds up. Additionally we are always having issues finding a member who can store and display the trucks. When I was on the board I favored selling them, but the answer always was that a long time member donated the truck and it just wouldn't be right to sell it. So the rest of us get to pay for that member's legacy, a pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

I love looking at the FJ, but I don't know why my dues should pay to keep this truck up? Should dues cover the maintenance of a B-61 that is donated? What about the junker that has sat out back for 20 years? Where do you draw the line? Should members be polled to come up with a list of worthy trucks? And if so do we keep all of them or just the first one donated?

You are missing the whole point on this particular truck. It was taken by the National from the local chapter under the guise of no local chapter can own a truck, which was not the intent of the family to see it taken and sold by the National headquarters. The truck has a long history here in the Boston area and belongs here. The truck was well taken care of by the chapter, was a regular at truck shows. In my opinion if the truck where anything else but an FJ and was not of such a high value it would never be owned by the National, they took if for its value and what they can reap from it as a "CASH" windfall none of the members will never see. If anything right now the truck should be left in the Mack Museum or where it was at Gary Mahans where atleast the truck can be seen. 

[jackb61sx]

10 hours ago, Red Horse said:

What is worse here?  Instead of posting it in WOT, they have turned it over to someone to sell.  Not sure what any commission numbers are but when you have a publication that can reach a lot of members, and in particular has its own "want ad" section- why would you outsource this?

I could see if you tried to market it yourself and then had no results but turning it over to someone else right off the bat???

Makes no sense to me-and it continues to be a very sore point here in New England.

They are trying to sell the truck with as little fanfare as they can and by going this route the buyer can most probably if they choose stay out of the bright lites this truck will attract as it did last time they tried to sell it.

[hicrop10]

I belong to the hcea and other equipment and truck clubs.The heca is always taking equipment that is donated and restoring it by voluntees,my question is what happens when the clubs disband for what ever reason and there's all this equipment or trucks left.What becomes of the monies that is taken in when the sale is made.

 

[Maddog13407]

I don't think the aths will ever disban. they are all about money. like others pointed out, there was nothing wrong with where this truck was to begin with, but now they took it over and now all of a sudden its a ''burden'' a six figure burden.....

[Red Horse]

12 hours ago, jackb61sx said:

They are trying to sell the truck with as little fanfare as they can and by going this route the buyer can most probably if they choose stay out of the bright lites this truck will attract as it did last time they tried to sell it.

Well Jack  I have to disagree as I think what ever route they took to sell it, it is going to be in the "bright lights".

My point is simply if ATHS was going to sell it, with an in house capability they have to outsource it?  Give someone else a slice of the pie???  

Again, I'm not getting into the validity issue of the sale.  That ground has been plowed many times.  As I read the letter from Mrs Fox, no doubt in my mind who the  truck was given to.  As always, how much do you want to spend on legal fees.

Let's just hope one of "us" gets it and it does not end up getting stuffed into a container in  Newark  for a long voyage.

[Lmackattack]

 Exactly. The ATHS was in such a hurry to get this truck away from the local club but now are looking to sell it off rather soon. This was nothing more than a power play. It should have stayed with the local club and if they disbanded then the truck should have been sold to a museum or kept at any other local Club that had interest in maintaining it.  I really dont understand how HQ even got their greedy hands on it in the first place.  What bothers me is that this historic Truck gifted to the men and women of its local ATHS club was stolen and bullshitted by its own representatives at HQ.  I remember when I signed up for the ATHS bak in 2005-06. that same day I was hearing about the crap going on in HQ and just a few years later I dropped membership due to the crap that was going on with the message board. I have seen many very good people come and go because of all the issues with HQ.  All clubs have their issues but The ATHS stuff was rather on the sad side of things

[Quickfarms]

I have never been able to log into the ATHS web site. I just look at it as an expensive magazine.

The MVPA, military vehicle preservation association, is the same or worse.

[Lmackattack]

I stopped visiting the Message board when a few moderators continued to edit or delete peoples posts to keep the message board inline with their agenda or at to remove fear of HQ of cutting them off. They put constant talk that HQ did not want people selling stuff online and that it would cause a drop in income. In my opinion they were so behind the times with things related to communication within the old truck community...But I will stop ranting. I quit for a reason and besides I enjoy talking with the old truck junkies on here and in the many facebook groups.

[fxfymn]

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You are missing the whole point on this particular truck. It was taken by the National from the local chapter under the guise of no local chapter can own a truck, which was not the intent of the family to see it taken and sold by the National headquarters.

No, I didn't. That is why I said I wouldn't get into the specifics of this truck. My comment is about clubs owning trucks in general.

 

[j hancock]

ATHS is determined to sell the Wellington no matter what the rest of us think.   I am not pleased that Dennis is more than likely getting a cut or consulting fee for the sale.  "Maybe" it will be done pro bono?

[Brocky]

I think we all have a "pretty good idea" of why a certain person at HQ wanted possession and the ability to sell this truck. Since he is now long gone, why is it coming up for sale again?? And why so quietly??? and why an outside dealer without it being listed on WOT for a few issues???

[blackdog2]

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[Maddog13407]

Dennis and the ATHS... hmmmph theres two of a kind right there....

[41chevy]

15 hours ago, j hancock said:

ATHS is determined to sell the Wellington no matter what the rest of us think.   I am not pleased that Dennis is more than likely getting a cut or consulting fee for the sale.  "Maybe" it will be done pro bono?

I talked to him once about selling my AC-6, I was told that his commission is 10 to 15% on top of the sale price.    Paul

[mackdaddy]

Would have preferred they ask for donations and then gift it back to the Mack Museum in Allentown. Or if there is a like in New England then send it there. But to just outright sell this truck just doesn't seem right? I want an FJ and I can afford to buy one but I would feel like I had sinned and sentenced to hell for buying this one!

[Underdog]

5 hours ago, mackdaddy said:

Would have preferred they ask for donations and then gift it back to the Mack Museum in Allentown. Or if there is a like in New England then send it there. But to just outright sell this truck just doesn't seem right? I want an FJ and I can afford to buy one but I would feel like I had sinned and sentenced to hell for buying this one!

Seems it should be where it can be enjoyed and appreciated by many folks. I know you would treat it right, Dan. Maybe even loan it to the Mack museum, or Keystone?

[Brocky]

Keystone sound like a good idea!!! But why should Dennis get anything out of it???

[fxfymn]

Has anyone asked his/her regional rep. about this? I don't agree with the manner that ATHS has treated this from the beginning, but they do deserve the chance to explain themselves.

[jackb61sx]

When the truck was taken from our chapter， the only explanation we got was that "under the bye laws no local chapter can retain ownership of a donated vehicle" even though the intent of the family was that the truck remain local. After they took the truck， the chapter stopped its affiliation with the ATHS and reformed under the ATCA. I don't think there are any ATHS around here anymore after the Wellington truck theft in my opinion. 

[thomastractorsvc]

I talked with the interm executive director Jim at a truck show couple weeks ago about what ever happened he made sound like it was already sold.

I asked why not put it in the HQS building or loan to a museum he said the museums want money for up keep.  

I don't think it should be sold it needs to go to Mack Museum or HQS building they already have two trucks there now.  I find it hard to belive that keystone or iowa 80 museum would want money to display it.