59 dead, 527 wounded/injured in Las Vegas shooting

[1958 F.W.D.]

The bleeding hearts can make all the feel-good laws that they want to. They can pass legislation from now until the end of time. But no matter what they do, the weapons are out there and readily available on the black market to whomever wants them. In the end, all the feel-good laws will only affect one group of persons: those of us who are law-abiding and legal gun owners.

For those of you hell-bent on passing gun control legislation in the interest of protecting people: More Americans are killed annually in drunken driving accidents than intentional and unintentional weapons discharges *combined*

When may I expect your demands to outlaw automobiles or alcohol?

[rhasler]

On 10/2/2017 at 10:54 AM, kscarbel2 said:

With Paddock, we'll never know the truth. In fact, he might be a fictional character.

I wouldn't be surprised

[41chevy]

5 hours ago, macks in nigeria said:

I have personally never considered your views extreme. My point on this thread was let us keep the issue at hand in focus. As to foreign Mack fan, Mack is a worldwide brand and America's gift to the world. Just in case you have forgotten it, now a Swedish owned brand based in the US and a few other countries. BMT of course is for all lovers of anything Mack from all parts of the world. Let's keep the thread on track.

I hear you and will obey you to the letter. I am deeply sorry I asked Billy an off track question about the NRA and I apologize to every single BMT member and ask BillyT for forgiveness for my callous post..

[Mcrafty1]

6 hours ago, 41chevy said:

I hear you and will obey you to the letter. I am deeply sorry I asked Billy an off track question about the NRA and I apologize to every single BMT member and ask BillyT for forgiveness for my callous post..

Nice, classy...nothing more needs saying, IMHO

[Mcrafty1]

It would appear these wacko's are no longer content just causing a few deaths and injuries...they now are going for body count.......I, for one wondered how long it would take for them to target large ( sports games, NASCAR, concert) type events and when they become more available use other means of mass killing...like germs or dirty bombs, it's coming... at least in my opinion, I hope I'm dead wrong. 

Edited October 4, 2017 by Mcrafty1

[Mack Technician]

On ‎10‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 10:13 PM, rhasler said:

I wouldn't be surprised

Clicked on that for curiosity. It leaves you wondering how twisted as the CIA was (is)?Bunch of madmen w/reckless abandon. Torturing each other till they committed suicide?

 

Edited October 5, 2017 by Mack Technician

[sunpraiser59]

Good thing I was just staying home when the incident happened. Kept thinking, I could have been there. Praying for the fast recovery of those who got injured during the unfortunate incident. 

[Outbehindthebarn]

On 10/3/2017 at 8:12 AM, david wild said:

So some call us not to debate what has happened,  yet the left politicians have come out full steam for outright gun bans but us the voter should remain quiet ??? Ms. Warren is full steam ahead with her agenda, I read the CDC said that 3536 people drown in swimming pools or 10 per day, so in 5 days 50 plus will die and I have not heard one word about banning swimming pools, and children are the bulk of the victims ?? even more reason to ban pools, there are millions of gun owners who never break the law or kill someone yet let one wacko and the all gun owners are branded killers, maybe we should have the left leaning liberals be silent and take the wack jobs off the streets and not innocent gun owners.  I am sure that Clinton is doing her best to somehow tie Trump to this, and speaking of Clinton notice her husband the cigar man does say much about Trump ??  Hard to condemn when you have done worse. Bill keeps his mouth shut, Hillary is to stupid to know any better.  

There are around 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population was 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related action each year. 

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide.
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty.
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related.
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths.
So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause. This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths. Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? Absolutely! But how about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose.
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu.
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities.
Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ................ Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple: Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace. Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs. So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these numbers and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed."

[Mack Technician]

On 10/2/2017 at 11:54 AM, kscarbel2 said:

With Paddock, we'll never know the truth. In fact, he might be a fictional character.

Starting to look like you are a prophet on this.....