Lmackattack Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Looking for the shift knob / air selector for the air shift Mack12 speed. If you have one and its for sale let me know. thank you.... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead204 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 P.M. Sent 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Did you try rebuilding your shift knob with a 14RC1131 repair kit from Watt's Mack ? (Mack part numbers.....simply unforgettable. Try that with a meaningless Volvo global part number.) 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead204 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 19 minutes ago, kscarbel2 said: Did you try rebuilding your shift knob with a 14RC1131 repair kit from Watt's Mack ? (Mack part numbers.....simply unforgettable. Try that with a meaningless Volvo global part number.) do you remember the part # for the drum inside of the shifter as well ?....I don't need one this is just a test ! I can never get a parts man any more to get one, only the soft parts kit + the detents Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, gearhead204 said: do you remember the part # for the drum inside of the shifter as well ?....I don't need one this is just a test ! I can never get a parts man any more to get one, only the soft parts kit + the detents I was always told that the drum (cylinder) was a non-serviceable part (we didn't sell it separately). But if you purchased it separately in the past, you taught me something! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead204 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Seattle Mack used to sell two kits for them, the minor parts kit (std. kit you get now) and a major kit (included the shift drum) I used to get them in the late 80's thru the early 90's 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kscarbel2 Posted November 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2017 You're right!!! You jogged my memory. . 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmackattack Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 Gearhead204 got me hooked up...thank you again! This trans is not even in truck. I bought this trans for $2,000 from a guy in NJ. it was sitting in his shop after it had been rebuilt by mack and was ready to go in one of his fleet of CH and RD Macks if the time ever came to replace one. it never did. I pulled the top covers off and all the gears and bearings are brand new. I got the air shift cover and knob from Global about 8 years ago and when I moved 5 years ago I must have misplaced the knob somehow. Been itching to get it in the truck and thinking next year I may bring it to a shop to get it installed. here is a question Im not sure about... will the main stick on my 2 stick 6 speed bolt onto the top cover/main of the 12speed? Thanks for the input fellas Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackey58 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Ya gotta love the mack parts man that knows the numbers and how they made sense come to jolier and talk to the 12 year Olds and watch the fun I miss steve and wes at joliet and wally at summit 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackey58 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 ARE 12 Speed Parts Hard To GET FROM MACK now Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 It's simply a matter of fact that the former Mack Trucks had the best part numbering system of any truckmaker in the world. And today in year 2017, nobody has surpassed it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackey58 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Damn volvo Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmackattack Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 hour ago, kscarbel2 said: It's simply a matter of fact that the former Mack Trucks had the best part numbering system of any truckmaker in the world. And today in year 2017, nobody has surpassed it. was it that the brake down with the numbers made it easy to know what each part was part of? I worked in auto racing and one of my jobs was to help with parts sales at the track. With regards to part numbers.... each part number started with letters to note what mfg it was built by. All numbers after that it was the mfg part number. at times we could have 5 different Mfg so remembering all the diffrent ways each mfg numbered their stuff was a big PITA. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmackattack Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, mackey58 said: ARE 12 Speed Parts Hard To GET FROM MACK now I think the parts have become very $$$ In fairness the trans is old and they cant keep making stuff that dont brake to often. PAI still had parts for it last timeI checked Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 13 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: It's simply a matter of fact that the former Mack Trucks had the best part numbering system of any truckmaker in the world. And today in year 2017, nobody has surpassed it. AMEN BRO! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 On 11/14/2017 at 12:04 PM, Lmackattack said: was it that the brake down with the numbers made it easy to know what each part was part of? I worked in auto racing and one of my jobs was to help with parts sales at the track. With regards to part numbers.... each part number started with letters to note what mfg it was built by. All numbers after that it was the mfg part number. at times we could have 5 different Mfg so remembering all the diffrent ways each mfg numbered their stuff was a big PITA. I've posted this before. The Mack parts system, unlike today, was design by parts people.........for parts people. Timeless in effectiveness, brilliant in logic and simplicity, the Mack parts system was the envy of the industry. Speaking of parts breakdowns (illustrations), it was Mack parts people who drew them so accurately. The beginning of the part number (prefix) told you what kind of part it was, with P-number suffixes that told you what variation it was. Here are just a few examples of the part number prefixes: 1AX - fine thread bolt 4AX - course thread bolt 36AX - lock washer 37AX - flat washer 62GB - rod bearing 64GB - main bearing 631GC - turbocharger 2ME - muffler 4ME - exhaust pipe 47MO - turn signal lamp 1MR - electrical switch 11MR - circuit breaker 3MT - temperature gauge 7QH - tie rod 10QH - tie rod end 2QK - front spring 4QK - rear spring 10 QK - suspension rubber insulator 1QM - hood 301SQ - king pin set .........and so on. The "P" suffixes were equally straightforward, continuing the brilliant simplicity of the Mack system. 2QK3378P1 10,500lb front spring 2QK3378P2 12,000lb front spring An "A", "B" or higher letter between the base part number and the "P" suffix denoted an engineering improvement. For example, 3MT35AP2. 3MT - temperature gauge 35 - R/U/DM A - see above P2 - negative ground or P3 (positive ground) Because of the brilliant Mack part numbering system, the part numbers were very easy to remember, due to the fact that each part of the number had a logical and clear meaning. This is why veteran Mack parts people, in my humble opinion, were significantly better than their peers in the truck industry. With literally thousands of Mack part numbers comfortably in their head, veteran Mack parts people worked faster and more efficiently than those of any other manufacturer. But now, Volvo has replaced Mack part numbers with Volvo global part numbers, randomly selected part numbers that have no meaning whatsoever. This is why the handful of veteran Mack parts people still around can no longer quickly assist you. The Volvo parts system, by design, is immensely time consuming. Not to mention the horrible, inconsistent Volvo Group electronic parts catalog for Mack brand trucks. For Volvo to throw away the staggeringly efficient Mack Trucks parts numbering system, frankly the truck industry's best, and replace it with meaningless Volvo global part numbers so as to meet the demands of their arrogant bureaucracy, is a tragedy for the Mack brand customer. As a Mack veteran, it leaves me totally disgusted. Even though today's Mack brand truck is for the most part a rebadged Volvo, the Swedish truckmaker would have been better off to adopt Mack's superior part numbering system rather than force their often criticized system upon the former Mack dealers. But then, the culture of arrogance at Volvo prevents them from admitting they are inferior at anything. A number of Mack veterans argued against Volvo's inferior system. They were fired or asked to retire early. There is no more Mack Trucks. It's just a nameplate on a Volvo truck. Pretending that a Mack-branded truck today has any connection to America is simply dreaming. Swedish foreign aggressor Volvo's frequent waving of the United States flag is offensive, as is the name "Anthem". Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macks in nigeria Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 How exactly did the Mack brand fall into the hands of europeans?were there no truck makers in America that were interested orcouldn't pay for it.I am sure this question must have been answered before by KSCarbel but just cant find it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 26 minutes ago, macks in nigeria said: How exactly did the Mack brand fall into the hands of europeans? were there no truck makers in America that were interested or couldn't pay for it? I am sure this question must have been answered before by KScarbel but just cant find it. The four key reasons are: 1. Ruthless foreign aggressor Volvo 2. The UAW (union) 3. Mr. Marc Gustafson. 4. A United States government that doesn't support its truckmakers, as it does its automakers. https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43897-how-the-mack-name-ended-up-where-it-is-today/?tab=comments#comment-323090 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macks in nigeria Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 I thought Renault came in first. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
57 bcr Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 23 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: You're right!!! You jogged my memory. . Did Mack and Spicer share that same knob? That sure looks like an Air shift 4x4 knob. I rebuilt mine with a kit from Spicer. The kit was like $115.00 8 years ago. Al Quote IF YOU BOUGHT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT..AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, A TRUCK WILL HAUL IT AWAY!!! Big John Trimble,WRVA Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, macks in nigeria said: I thought Renault came in first. Signal oil and Gas of Canada did a 1 to 1 stock deal with MACK in 1967, Renault bought 10% in 1979,wholly by Renault by 1990, who along with MACK were bought in 2000 by Volvo. Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, 57 bcr said: Did Mack and Spicer share that same knob? That sure looks like an Air shift 4x4 knob. I rebuilt mine with a kit from Spicer. The kit was like $115.00 8 years ago. Al I was thinking of this last night, trying to remember the supplier. The 6-speed knob/valve part number is 20QE398. The 10/12 speed unit had different raised lettering, low and high versus low and direct. I was thinking Wagner, who made our modern day rotochamber brake chambers (19QE396P5) for the 20,000 front axle (FAW20) application, but then I was thinking Berg. Sorry, many years ago. $115 for a little 14RC1131 bag of o-rings??? Volvo "bend over" pricing at work. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macks in nigeria Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Thanks for the lesson,always thought Renault sold to Volvo and remained independent without realizing they were acquired too.Has the Renault brand lost as much identity as Mack? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, macks in nigeria said: Thanks for the lesson,always thought Renault sold to Volvo and remained independent without realizing they were acquired too.Has the Renault brand lost as much identity as Mack? It's a funny situation. Volvo acquired Renault's truck unit (RVI), and like the Mack dealer body, treat Renault people as if they couldn't possibly know anything about trucks. But the Swedes still feel uncomfortable, out of their element, in France. And they're intimidated by the French government. And then there's sales, where Renault is the highest performing brand within Volvo Group. Thus, Renault enjoys considerable autonomy, whereas Mack is literally just a nameplate on a few doors at Volvo's U.S. headquarters in Greensboro, North Carolina (and within are a collection of misfits who actually do know nothing about trucks). Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmackattack Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 Thanks for that Info KS..... You really do have a wealth of info and the news reports to back it up... I hope you have most of your Mack knowledge written down on paper some where. If not, please start! or better yet perhaps a book written by you? 30 years from now I can foresee us all looking back to old BMT threads for long lost info LOL 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/51669-12-speed-shift-knob/#findComment-384969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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