Florida High School Shooting - 17 confirmed dead

[kscarbel2]

Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Parkland..........I’m really getting fed up with these school shootings. 

Clearly, though our government won’t discuss it, American society has serious issues today. Such actions never crossed our minds in our youth.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/14/florida-shooting-school-latest-news-stoneman-douglas

[macks in nigeria]

How sad.America needs to wake up to the reality of gun violence.Yes ,the right to bear arms but how about the right to live safely.My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

[hatcity]

17 fatalities..so far.  How sad for the families

[david wild]

Sure sounds like it took cops a long time respond, either waiting shooter to run or donut stop, I remember local cops taking the long route when they heard a gun was involved, if they shot the kid it would made better impression on the rest of the nut jobs now we have to hear about his poor life and how the world messed up and how he is the victim. Pelosi is writing her anti gun manifesto right now, and it's all Trumps fault.  

[kscarbel2]

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[kscarbel2]

The murderer, 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz, has been arrested.

Cruz set off the fire alarm so students would come pouring out of the classrooms into the hall. And then he began the carnage.

Cruz was checked out at a hospital before being taken to a secure location in an unspecified public building.

Democratic Rep. Ted Deutch of Florida says............lawmakers have offered their condolences.

Matthew Walker, a 17-year-old student at the school, told WFOR-TV that all his classmates 'knew it was going to be him.'

'A lot of people were saying it was going to be him,' he said. 'A lot of kids threw jokes around saying that he was going to be the one to shoot up the school. It turns out that everyone predicted it. That's crazy.' 

'He was going class to class just shooting at random kids,' he said. 'Everything he posts (on social media) is about weapons. It's sick.'

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[david wild]

Got his pants pulled down, under wear up, big tuff puke, see how tuff he is when he's someones bit** in prison, still should have shot him.

[davehummell]

I have guns always been involved in gun shooting sports. I had a gun when i was 12 years old along with a lot of my school mates never thought about using the firearm for anything other than hunting or target practice. I think in this case that kid should be made to pay for his sins soon jail is to good for him public hanging??? or public electric chair to send the message it just seams these kids have no morals anymore. Someones little bit-- is to good for this kid.

[davehummell]

When that aswipe Pelosi finnaly kicks the bucket i my falloff the wagon and drink to her farewell. I'm pretty laid back but some of these people??? just piss me off.

[HeavyGunner]

Man that's sad but what do we expect from these entitled brats we collectively as Americans are raising?  There are no consequences or accountability for any actions. Just another boob dr or psychologist on tv telling us why it isn't the kids fault or society telling that looney tunes (Yosemite Sam, bugs bunny etc) are way too violent. I was listening to a comedian on a talk show recently and he was telling a story about how his daughter is starting to veer off the good path and make bad decisions. He  traveled to see her perform and she was a no show.  She obviously ditched the choir and showed up to meet mom and dad outside the venue and tried to pretend they just couldn't see her on stage. He said he was pretty sure she'd been drinking and she started getting belligerent. He grabbed her just above the elbow and was chewing her ass for what she did. Someone called cps on him and he told cps all they had taught his daughter is that she doesn't have to listen because jail is now a phone call away for her dad.  Not coming from a religous point of veiw necessarily but we need to focus on the deteriorating family unit. Single parent households are hard to run. How do you work full time and then some and rear kids? It's Pretty hard. Society has got to get over this snow flake, safe space, I'm special, the worlds not fair bullshit and start making the productive melting pot that we were. I saw a tin sign at a gun show recently and it was sam Elliot and the caption said "A man shoots a lion in Africa they blame the man, a man shoots another man in America they blame the gun"

[HeavyGunner]

I also think when we catch these cowards instead of giving them more rights than the average American behind bars we execute them or give them seriously hard labor. The kind of labor where everyday you pray for death instead.  Our media also needs to have some standards. Plastering these cowards face 24/7 only makes them infamous which is what they want. 

[kscarbel2]

After he intentionally executed 17 human beings, you see this...........

'He's sad. He's mournful. He's remorseful. He's a child. He's just a broken human being': Public defender puts her arm round mass shooter then makes an emotional public plea for understanding

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5394229/Florida-high-school-shooting-plunges-city-mourning.html

[41chevy]

Lets see, he's 19 years old, can drive, vote, get married, buy a vehicle, get credit and join the military.  So he becomes a "child" after he commits murder? Bull.  My grand son  (liberal parents)  plays Call to Duty, and Grand Theft Auto. he's 25 been playing that crap since he was 12.  No concept that you kill some one the don't return for the next game. He brags to mommy about all his kills and head shots. Both parents think that's cute!  I asked them if they will still think it's cute when he is on the news as a shooter? 

Maybe if the violent video games were not so easy for kids to play, maybe if the parent(s) would teach them that bad actions and crimes have severe actions, maybe if we treated mental issues as a disease like physical diseases, instead of a SSI, handful of meds and a follow up meeting there would be less of these things, maybe if the See Something, Say Something report was looked at closely instead of shrugged off. (the FBI couldn't trace his post but they can trace a Facebook post from some Trump follower) maybe if the DA would hand out the punishments the criminals deserve, instead of coddling him. After the reassuring hugs from the DA, I'm sure she will work her a$$ off to have him in a medical facility for years rather than put to death, maybe they should realize that Gun Free Zones are a free pass to kill people with no threat of retaliation till the police show up. 

After the last school shooting the suggestion was to adopt the Israeli system. when school is in session the schools locked, nobody in or out, teachers, staff or students with out clearing security. Teachers are randomly armed with open carry.  The few attempts to beach the security ended with severe medical issues for the assailant. The ACLU and Teachers Union said that locking down the school violates the children rights to freely come and go.

Him legally buying a weapon, IF his J.V.  and school files of his violent behavior, mental and anti social issues were a matter of record instead of locked because it all happened when he was a "child", than maybe he  and the other "child" shooters would not have been able to buy a weapon, since it would have shown up on the back ground checks. I guess the advocates think that a violent, angry childs out look on life magically gets better when they turn 18.  

But none of that will happen, because as everybody knows the gun owners are the real cause of the killings.

Luckily Michell Bloomberg had his gun confiscation commercial on MSNBC,CNN,HLN and CNBC not 12 hours after the shootings. He has support of gun buy back/ confiscation like was done in Australia from Feinstrein, Blumenthal, Guildabrand, Warren, Waters, Pelosi and a half dozen others. Even Obama's speech at high noon today stated it is time to disarm America 100% and for his followers to get it done..  Good luck, That attempt will end with U.N. occupation. 

Edited February 16, 2018 by 41chevy

[HeavyGunner]

I remember after 9/11 one of the ideas bush's administration was kicking around was armed guards at our schools. There are lots of vets, and retired LEO that I think would enjoy working around the kids and since history has proved that the coward mass shooters that our media makes into superstars shy away from and even kill themselves when met with resistance with a gun. What's so hard about upgrading our schools to have windowless bullet and breach proof doors, no windows on the outside lower than 7' so shooters could shoot them from the outside?  I strongly believe every gun owner should have to take a gun course where you get gun safety training, some time with an instructor at the range to get a real idea of what a weapon is and what it can do. I was raised in a household full of guns, my brothers and I knew where they were, we knew we were under no circumstances to touch one without dad being there. I also remember when we were real young dad pointing out movie magic of westerns and action movies making sure we understood that you don't shoot a machine gun at someone at point blank and not hurt anyone. I couldn't care less if they got rid of the ar rifles, but the only thing about getting rid of them that worries me is the left wants all guns gone. If they ever outlawed ar's my fear and I think anyone can google the antigun politicians and see it's a legit gear is they would turn to the next gun on their agenda and it would snow ball until we have nothing. No one ever seems to equate the criminal is the problem not the tool used. Are we outlawing rental trucks, pressure cookers or jets? 

[kscarbel2]

If people are determined to kill, they will succeed.

Armed guards, for example, can’t be everywhere at once in a vast school complex.

The only solution is to fix society. When we were young in school, none of us ever had thoughts of taking another life.

[HeavyGunner]

I realize the guards can't be everywhere in a school at once but I'm betting the mass shooting cowards would be less apt to try and attacking a school if they know there will be an armed resistance. Take the dope in aurora for example. He said he chose that  movie theater because it had gun free zone stickers in it. I do agree society is the problem and needs fixed but we should try some preventative maintenance where we can. 

[kscarbel2]

I firmly believe that if killers knew that, in cases with witnesses and/or cameras that verified their guilt, they would be subject to an immediate death penalty, we could change the tide.

I steadfastly believe in the rule of law, so I hope not to be misunderstood.

However, in cases where guilt is inarguably, zero doubt, an “eye for an eye” policy would create huge change, and this includes the crime-ridden cities.

I’ve zero pity for ruthless killers who snuff out the lives of fellow citizens. 

[macks in nigeria]

48 minutes ago, kscarbel2 said:

If people are determined to kill, they will succeed.

Armed guards, for example, can’t be everywhere at once in a vast school complex.

The only solution is to fix society. When we were young in school, none of us ever had thoughts of taking another life.

Start the fixing from the home front.If not fixed you can only imagine what your society will become when these kids become parents who have no values.

[Brocky]

1 hour ago, macks in nigeria said:

Start the fixing from the home front.If not fixed you can only imagine what your society will become when these kids become parents who have no values.

 

1 hour ago, kscarbel2 said:

If people are determined to kill, they will succeed.

Armed guards, for example, can’t be everywhere at once in a vast school complex.

The only solution is to fix society. When we were young in school, none of us ever had thoughts of taking another life.

This all started in the mid 1960's when the child psychologists like Sr. Spock and others started saying that were were to "talk to children, not physically discipline them".. Now 3 or 4 generations later we have people who DO NOT respect any kind of authority period. And I have no idea how to turn it around??

[tjc transport]

i was  called an ahole on facebook yesterday because of a comment i made. i said  if that brave hero teacher had been allowed to be armed there was a very good possibility that there would have only been one or two dead, being the shooter and the teacher. 

but god forbid an educator should have a gun in a school. 

it is always "the guns fault", and  "we need more gun free zones"

 i may just be a stupid truck driver, but it seems to me all these shooting only happen in "gun free zones"

[41chevy]

8 hours ago, tjc transport said:

i was  called an ahole on facebook yesterday because of a comment i made. i said  if that brave hero teacher had been allowed to be armed there was a very good possibility that there would have only been one or two dead, being the shooter and the teacher. 

but god forbid an educator should have a gun in a school. 

it is always "the guns fault", and  "we need more gun free zones"

 i may just be a stupid truck driver, but it seems to me all these shooting only happen in "gun free zones"

 It is always the gun owners fault because it is an easy target for politicians and the media. Why?  Because the media and politicians hype how evil they are, every gun owner is anxious to kill people, every weapon is an assault rifle. The media with in 1/2 hour of the shootings was talking about the kid using and assault rifle with a bump stop, and having hand grenades. No bump stop and a few smoke markers. Can't blame the teachers, the administrators, local officials or the social programs that enable them or even the video games and music videos that glorify those type of actions. Why they could stop giving them money to stay in office.

The democrats were saying today that this will help them win back the majorities in both houses because this is so much better the DACA  for political impact. The  17 deaths will now be used for political gain. . .by both sides.

More gun laws and confiscations  will do nothing to help. The return of family values, taking responsibility for one actions, discipline, teaching a child that failing at something is not the end of the world, stop raising them in a cocoon, teach them the truth, the world isn't a warm a fuzzy place but cold and potentially very dangerous. Maybe even some religion would go a long way to ending these situations.

AS for armed guards at schools. A few armed teachers like the Israelis and Chechen's in Eastern Europe use, would be more effective and less visible. You need to realize that a potential shooter can skirt a guard, but arm the teachers randomly, makes an attackers chances very, very low.

Gun Free Zones, Drug Free Zones and Safe Zones are a liberals way of inviting attacks IMO.  

Edited February 17, 2018 by 41chevy

[HeavyGunner]

Well everyone. Some excellent points. Now if only the dems and reps could brainstorm logically like us. 

[tjc transport]

i saw something a few weeks ago comparing switzerland with a sheithole country. they both have about the same populace give or take a few humdred thousand people.

swiss everyone must own a gun and violent crime is almost non existant.

the sheithole, almost no one owns a gun and violent crime is rampant.

 

simpl\y put, an armed society is a polite society

[HeavyGunner]

In a country where gun ownership is legal you are a citizen, in a country that bans guns you are a subject. 

[41chevy]

I see the FBI now said they apparently did not forward the Vblog alert on the shooter to the field office for investigation. Gee, seems  only yesterday the FBI said they found no ties . . .may haps a cover your a$$ lie thinking they would not get caught?