Jamaican Bulldog Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 It seems that apart from the Mack MHD, Cummins engines are not available in most of or all of the heavier duty Macks nowadays. However, it seems that Volvo offers Cummins in most of its class 8 trucks along with the Volvo engines. What is the mind set behind this? Is it to give Volvo the edge and more appeal than Macks? Does anyone think Mack sales would be higher with Cummins availability? Do Cummins engines work well with manual Mack transmissions? I know things have changed in the industry in terms of the availability of vendor engines but its odd that most Macks are only available with rebadged Volvo engines while Volvos are not. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmackattack Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Volvo did this with reason. But besides that the current Mack models do not offer room under the hood for a cummins just as most others engines would not fit with easeas well. volvo knows if they built a mack truck that people want they would out sell Volvo. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I ask this with all seriousness, how does Volvo stay afloat? Seems they've bought out every truck maker they could afford over the years to gain an edge yet they have never really caught on or gained a loyal following. Yes they fair pretty well in the disposable fleet bubble trucks but I'd speculate not because of of brand loyalty but best (cheapest price) just like all other truck makers fleet trucks. So how do they stay afloat continually buying companies out and never seeming to make any significant headway in the truck market? I've never heard someone say gee I wish I had Volvo. 1 Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, HeavyGunner said: I ask this with all seriousness, how does Volvo stay afloat? Seems they've bought out every truck maker they could afford over the years to gain an edge yet they have never really caught on or gained a loyal following. Yes they fair pretty well in the disposable fleet bubble trucks but I'd speculate not because of of brand loyalty but best (cheapest price) just like all other truck makers fleet trucks. So how do they stay afloat continually buying companies out and never seeming to make any significant headway in the truck market? I've never heard someone say gee I wish I had Volvo. I have a friend with a Volvo with over 1million miles on its Cummins which has not needed a overall yet. He bought it only because it had the Cummins and the deal not bcs it was a Volvo. If Mack offered a Cummins he would seriously considering upgrading to a Mack. So to your point, the brand does'nt excite him just the engine and price. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 That's what's such a shame because Mack DOES have a loyal following and with more options appropriately priced would satisfy them and attract some new comers. Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, HeavyGunner said: That's what's such a shame because Mack DOES have a loyal following and with more options appropriately priced would satisfy them and attract some new comers. Yes and it still has prestige and strong brand equity/recognition. People who are not even in to trucks use the expression 'as tough as Mack Truck'. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxidyne Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The Chinese seem to really value brands... If they buy Volvo trucks, they might just save Mack. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Maxidyne said: The Chinese seem to really value brands... If they buy Volvo trucks, they might just save Mack. I think a Chinese Co. bought shares in Volvo but as to outright buy or controlling Volvo I not up on that. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I believe the bottom line is Mack is a side show in the arrogant Volvo mind set. They don't want to make Mack competitive with Volvo because Mack would kill them in sales. Too bad they can't seem to follow the Paccar model and let the two models compete fairly as in KW and Pete. Paccar creates an environment where both models can thrive. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackdaddy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 There is not much difference in the KW and Pete anymore. most all of the frame and other components are Paccar branded. They share the engine as well along with cabs. I understand that the intent is to stop the production of each brands individual cabs soon. A Volvo and a Mack are truly very different trucks considering cabs and some Mack exclusive components. More so than the Paccar product. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just as the dual sales channel Chevrolet/ GMC strategy works well for GM, resulting in greater overall sales, the Kenworth/Peterbilt arrangement has worked well to target a broader range of potential customers, to Paccar’s benefit. It all boils down to management’s latest thought process, one or more executive’s personal opinion, rather than what is actually right. Paccar would not have the North American market share it enjoys today if it had only a single brand all these years. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: Just as the dual sales channel Chevrolet/ GMC strategy works well for GM, resulting in greater overall sales, the Kenworth/Peterbilt arrangement has worked well to target a broader range of potential customers, to Paccar’s benefit. It all boils down to management’s latest thought process, one or more executive’s personal opinion, rather than what is actually right. Paccar would not have the North American market share it enjoys today if it had only a single brand all these years. I am always fascinated how the very similar Peterbuilt and Kenworth brands strive. All of my memory of them seem that only the badges were different and maybe some hood styles. Was there a time when they were more distinct under the Paccar ownership? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Jamaican Bulldog said: I am always fascinated how the very similar Peterbuilt and Kenworth brands strive. All of my memory of them seem that only the badges were different and maybe some hood styles. Was there a time when they were more distinct under the Paccar ownership? The two brands have never been similar in my eyes. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, kscarbel2 said: The two brands have never been similar in my eyes. I would like to learn more from what you mean by that Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, kscarbel2 said: The two brands have never been similar in my eyes. They weren't similar before. But now, it's a Chevy/GMC type thing. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackdaddy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: The two brands have never been similar in my eyes. I have been in both the KW and Peterbilt assembly lines of late and they ARE the same truck other than the 2 out of 10 old style cabs for each. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 9 hours ago, mackdaddy said: I have been in both the KW and Peterbilt assembly lines of late and they ARE the same truck other than the 2 out of 10 old style cabs for each. I prefer the Peterbilt Denton plant. The feel, atmosphere, is completely different from the Kenworth plants. I do like Kenworth's Bayswater plant though. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 56 minutes ago, kscarbel2 said: I prefer the Peterbilt Denton plant. The feel, atmosphere, is completely different from the Kenworth plants. I do like Kenworth's Bayswater plant though. I was in the Tennessee plant back in 1998. After I toured that plant I told myself I'd never buy a peterbilt truck. It was so unorganized, dirty and it seemed nobody wanted to work. The only guys that were taking a little pride in what they did were the guys making the fuel tanks. The rest didn't care if they were there or not. The dealerships had to have done a lot of prepping on the new rigs. Because they were terrible from what we saw sitting in the lot waiting to be shipped out. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Dirtymilkman said: I was in the Tennessee plant back in 1998. After I toured that plant I told myself I'd never buy a peterbilt truck. It was so unorganized, dirty and it seemed nobody wanted to work. The only guys that were taking a little pride in what they did were the guys making the fuel tanks. The rest didn't care if they were there or not. The dealerships had to have done a lot of prepping on the new rigs. Because they were terrible from what we saw sitting in the lot waiting to be shipped out. You're right, the Madison plant was an embarrassment. But Denton is just the opposite. ----------------------------------------------------------- For those who don't know what we're talking about: https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories/2009/09/28/daily7.html https://www.nashvillepost.com/home/article/20403534/peterbilt-closing-madison-plant http://wkrn.com/2009/12/01/peterbilt-plant-closes-doors-for-good/ Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 Back to the topic. Is there any chance Mack will offer Cummins in its heavier trucks? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Jamaican Bulldog said: Back to the topic. Is there any chance Mack will offer Cummins in its heavier trucks? Why don't you shoot an email to the new Mack brand president, Martin Weissburg, and ask him? Take your question direct to the man who should have that very answer. Martin.Weissburg@Volvo.com 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, kscarbel2 said: Why don't you shoot an email to the new Mack brand president, Martin Weissburg, and ask him? Take your question direct to the man who should have that very answer. Martin.Weissburg@Volvo.com I will do just that. Thanks for the info. In the mean time I was hoping to hear the insight and thoughts from others on this forum. The info on Peterbilt and Kenworth was interesting btw. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmyb Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Is there really not enough room under the bonnet/hood? Kenworth down here fit the 15l Cummins into the SAR, although I admit it has a recessed firewall. It does have a very short bonnet though Actually the 70’s and 80’s Kenworth SAR came from the factory with the 19l k series Cummins. Edited March 20, 2018 by Timmyb 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Timmyb said: Is there really not enough room under the bonnet/hood? Kenworth down here fit the 15l Cummins into the SAR, although I admit it has a recessed firewall. It does have a very short bonnet though Actually the 70’s and 80’s Kenworth SAR came from the factory with the 19l k series Cummins. I personally think they could fit a x 15 in granite or Pinnacle. A friend of mine had a snub nose Western star with a 3406 cat hood no longer than a Rd mack 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 It can be done.. https://www.trucksales.com.au/buy/used/OAG-AD-15563093/2011-mack-superliner-550/?cr=2&category=trucks&psq=((((Service%3D[Trucksales]%26(SaleStatus%3D[For Sale]|SaleStatus%3D[For Auction]))%26Service!%3D[Showroom])%26((((SiloType%3D[Dealer Used]|SiloType%3D[Dealer New])|SiloType%3D[Private Used])|SiloType%3D[Dealer Near New])|SiloType%3D[For Auction]))%26(Category%3D[Trucks]%26SubCategory%3D[Prime Mover]))&pso=0&pss=Premium Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/52816-why-cummins-for-volvos-and-not-newer-macks/#findComment-394613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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