darkkar Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Is there any power steering off a different truck that will fit and work on a b model Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobert62 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I've heard of people using a steering box and column from a R model. Also remember someone on here talking about freightliner parts. I'd like to learn about the freightliner parts myself. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck Shop Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 The R model steering box is a HFB64055 from a R686ST mid 80's. Truck Shop 2 Quote One ping only Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehummell Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I found a steering box off a mack fire truck and mounted it in front of the axle about where a freightliner or pete is mounted. I got a air compressor off a later motor 675? and a vaine pump that fit on the pump. I had to make an extention on the oil dipstick. I modified the adapter plate between the pump and compressor. I then got a steering colum off an old r model and used the spine for the steering wheel so I could use a latter wheel. I cut the spline off and welded it on a dom tube after some lathe work i made a shaft that i could slip a yoke on that i took off a volvo conventional i had to modify that too. I then made a new outer steering colum out of dom so i could use the spring preload tensioner like mack did. I made a bracket that i mounted the oil tank on between the injector pump and the inner fender. I have no idea what the pump was on but it ran the wrong direction so i took it apart and reversed the vaine center housing, I got a nice heavy front bumper and made brackets to mount it so i could spread out the extra stain on the front frame end. The bumper ended sticking out about 5 inches more then the one that was on it, i then covered the spread with a sheet of aluminum plate. that stock steering box assm. is damn heavy so if you go about removing it be real carefull i did it buy my self and i had my hands full. I don't think this job is for the faint of hart U need a lathe milling machine stick mig tig welder torches and a plasma band saws another words a complete machine shop right next to the truck it helps. In the end i can use 2 fingers to steer it setting on the road. It was quite a pain in the butt to do but i enjoyed doing it. If i can talk my cousin into showing me how to put some pictures on this sight i will be more than happy to show the setup. I know one thing i can do fabwork way better than i can spell. I hope you can get some ideas to help you out. Happy welding. O mack did have a b model power steering set up they sharred it with brockways I saw one on a brocky up in n y. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehummell Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Truck shop there is two models an early one and a latter one if i remember you want the latter one but it is a real bastard to git it mounted with the engine in place before i took on this project i spent some time with kevin all he did the change over several times. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZB755V8 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 11 hours ago, davehummell said: Truck shop there is two models an early one and a latter one if i remember you want the latter one but it is a real bastard to git it mounted with the engine in place before i took on this project i spent some time with kevin all he did the change over several times. I know Kevin All and a little on the steering box. When I was looking, some 15 years ago, to do the power steering change over I traded Kevin for some parts and knowledge. The box mounts in the same location as the original, have to drill frame for different mounting bolts. I got a power steering box from him to work with a 6cyl. engine, I have a V8 and this convention will not work for a V8, just no room. Besides mounting the new box the lower end of the steering column shaft need to be cut and a universal joint keyed to the shaft. A short splined shaft mounts on the box and mates with universal joint. Supply and return hydraulic lines need to be run to a pump and reservoir. I still think I have the power steering box from Kevin if anyone is interested. $200 plus the shipping. I'll go look for it if someone is interested. PM me. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehummell Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 AZB775V8 Have you walked through his yard of trucks and parts very interesting. Last time I was up there he was putting a hopped up v12 Detroit in a john deere tractor talk about making custom parts. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZB755V8 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 12 hours ago, davehummell said: AZB775V8 Have you walked through his yard of trucks and parts very interesting. Last time I was up there he was putting a hopped up v12 Detroit in a john deere tractor talk about making custom parts. No, I have not been to his yard. Been in AZ for 15 years and only back to PA for family and Macungie show a few time since. He is up for new and different things like that JD project. I made the aluminum fender panels for his black and red B75 that he used the radiator for the intercooler and put another radiator in back of for engine coolant. Can't remember if it was an intercooled Mack or Cummins engine. Think he sold that truck years ago. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
75T Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Kevin installed a E-7, into it. I believe the truck sold, and went to Chicagoland. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 a member on here owns that truck, think it says 309 or 509 on the left front fender Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I remember the B models having a generator that the pump mounted on the end of it. Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post harrybarbon Posted July 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2018 we had a 1965 model B615 with the 864 V-8 motor, right hand steering for Australia, it was an original Mack build spec, it had the sheppard integrated power steering unit, the steering box was at the rear of the motor. Have a look at the attached picture. The steering box could be mounted on the left side and if you look at our frame you will see the hole opposite right side the steering box that was factory hole ready to mount the power steering box on the left side maybe try find someone who has old B615's which possibly have the same sheppard power steering as our B615. and the steering was real easy to turn 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_B Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/10/2018 at 5:50 AM, theakerstwo said: I remember the B models having a generator that the pump mounted on the end of it. Mine has said set-up. I've yet to really get to look at mine though. Just bought it and getting it moved to my place is proving to be a hassle Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 hate to say it but I'm gonna, OK how many old timers covered millions of miles in a B model with no power steering? unless your jockeying trailers around all day with an old B model with a small steering wheel and a 517 front axle, over the road, you don't need power steering! yes there were some B models with factory PS but it was an option and not every truck got it 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZB755V8 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Quote 3 hours ago, Maddog13407 said: hate to say it but I'm gonna, OK how many old timers covered millions of miles in a B model with no power steering? unless your jockeying trailers around all day with an old B model with a small steering wheel and a 517 front axle, over the road, you don't need power steering! yes there were some B models with factory PS but it was an option and not every truck got it Just trying to help with PS for those how need or wanted it. You are correct there were more truck produced into the mid 60's without power steer than with. That is when you could tell a trucker by the size of his forearm. Got a B with and an LT without. Choosing I'll drive the B over the LT any day. 👍 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith S Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 I was amazed at how easy my B steered when barely moving - as fast as the starter would turn the engine. The engine was blown so I jockeyed the truck around with the starter. It might be easier to adapt an electrically assisted steering column?😁 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 With bias ply tires, mine would not turn unless the truck was moving. Once I put radials on it, you could steer it not rolling. It was bearable for many years, but finding the air assist sure makes it much easier today. Not perfect(like power steering), but better. I got lucky and found a good unit. They are not cheap to fix/repair. 1 Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehummell Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Sometimes as you get older powersteering is a good option. I live in fear over my back going out on me again every time it gets longer to recover. And now I just got over tennitise in my right wrist now I got it in my left wrist. The first time I took my truck down the road by the time I got it backed in the garage I was layed up for days. So for an old crippled up fart the powersteering is really needed. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I put air assist on mine and its all you need. Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobert62 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I'm gonna figure it out for mine one day. Basically because I run out of elbow room in the cab when trying to hang on the wheel. It does go down the road fine but sucks to maneuver in tight spots. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-402723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed eyre Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 12:12 PM, AZB755V8 said: I know Kevin All and a little on the steering box. When I was looking, some 15 years ago, to do the power steering change over I traded Kevin for some parts and knowledge. The box mounts in the same location as the original, have to drill frame for different mounting bolts. I got a power steering box from him to work with a 6cyl. engine, I have a V8 and this convention will not work for a V8, just no room. Besides mounting the new box the lower end of the steering column shaft need to be cut and a universal joint keyed to the shaft. A short splined shaft mounts on the box and mates with universal joint. Supply and return hydraulic lines need to be run to a pump and reservoir. I still think I have the power steering box from Kevin if anyone is interested. $200 plus the shipping. I'll go look for it if someone is interested. PM me. If you still have the power steering box I would be interested. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-409162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZB755V8 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 OK. Have to dig the steering box out this weekend. I will PM you from here. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-409168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed eyre Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Okay thanks Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-409244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy buzzard Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I used a B 53 Sheppard ps box on the old wide body. Took a bit of doing - redrill the frame, make spacers, make new steer column and fab up a drag link. Was worth the effort cause the old gal was next to impossible to make a right turn in town Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-409251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugeHugh Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I just found this post as I begin working on my 1963 B61T power steering and I thought I would jump in here. My B61T has a small belt driven pump mounted high up on the left side of the engine. The two hydraulic pump lines run to and from a proportioning valve that is the link between the pitman arm and the steering knuckle. Two more hydraulic lines from the the proportioning valve run to and from the power assist cylinder that runs parallel to and on the back side of the front axle. I don't have any power assist in the steering at this time and I suspect the hydraulic pump isn't doing any work. I will confirm that when my hydraulic test kit arrives this Friday. There is a noticeable leak in the proportioning valve so I expect to rebuild that soon. Has anyone seen this setup? Neither my Mack service manual nor my Mack parts book shows any power steering options. The only nod to power steering is the mention of ST-A (Hydraulic Steering Fluid) "Use Type "A" Suffix "A" Automatic Transmission Fluid" in the lubricants section of the manuals . I'm hoping to find Mack part numbers when I remove the proportioning valve this weekend. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/53759-b-model-mack-power-steering/#findComment-412371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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