Popular Post j hancock Posted August 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2018 Powered by a 220 Cummins and running on a Page and Page equalizing beam spring suspension. 7 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Was Page and Page suspension popular in N.H. and VT.? I looked at a B and a REO in the respective states and both had the same suspension. Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-404808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
12V71 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I drove a 61 KW conventional for a while with Page and Page, seemed to ride better than Reyco or Freightliner 4 leaf with the short equalizers. Also seemed to get around on rough ground well too. I think equalizing the rear of the spring packs helped. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-404811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 8 hours ago, 41chevy said: Was Page and Page suspension popular in N.H. and VT.? I looked at a B and a REO in the respective states and both had the same suspension. In northern NE, more of an oddball than anything, I would say. Probably trucks with it got saved because it was so different. Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-404819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 11 hours ago, 41chevy said: Was Page and Page suspension popular in N.H. and VT.? I looked at a B and a REO in the respective states and both had the same suspension. My B has page and page suspension. Was that suspension used more in straight truck applications? Mine was built as a straight truck. Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-404826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ditchkus Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I have a 1970 KW 924 with Page+Page Suspension that looks like Mack Camelback it had Rockwell SRDD 44,000 drop in rears. I never saw many of this type suspension in Pa. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-404864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted August 26, 2018 Author Share Posted August 26, 2018 22 hours ago, HeavyGunner said: Was that suspension used more in straight truck applications? Seen some straight and some tractor. Possibly more tractors but not enough to say one way or another. Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-404879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyT Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Beautiful hi binder! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-405001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Seaborne Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Is that huge chrome canister on the side a housing for the air-filter? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-444863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 8/24/2018 at 8:39 PM, 41chevy said: Was Page and Page suspension popular in N.H. and VT.? I looked at a B and a REO in the respective states and both had the same suspension. My B75 has Page and Page suspension. No clue about it popularity though. Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-444867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Fred Seaborne said: Is that huge chrome canister on the side a housing for the air-filter? Yes, that is the air filter assembly. Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-444879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrybarbon Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 page and page was popular in Aust, 1965 Inter R200 with Page and page, lower truck tare weight more pay load for highway work, reduced maintenance so made a lot of sense, really how often is the tandem drive used on highway work where snow and ice not a concern? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-445135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Makes sense Harry. Makes even more sense to me as to why it would’ve been put on my B75. Mine is a light weight model with lots of aluminum parts and it was originally a straight truck. Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-445162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 A B61 I was looking over at the Rambler Ranch had the Page and Page with one powered axle. Seems that gives you the best of both worlds for OTR. The B also had a belt set up to power the dead axle wheels. Different unit but they wanted 3 times what it was worth. The owner is a heavy car collector (6 or 700 Ramblers in his collection) but no knowledge of vintage trucks. Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-445167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Binder Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Here's the back end of my truck plus some info. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-445208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullheaded Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 I have never seen a Page and Page before. Thanks for the education. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-445374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrybarbon Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Thank you for the reminder of Transpec, yes this company was the Page and page supplier and fitter of the pusher axle. I see on the picture of the P&P, the pusher axle has spyder wheels and the drive wheels are budds!!! Did the P&P have budd wheels? In Australia 50's, 60' and 70's most trucks had spyder wheels so followed that the P&P axle had spyders. I cannot recall seeing any P&P with budds. Also in Australia, a single wheel pusher axle was popular, it was fitted in front of the drive axle for prime movers (tractors) to avoid extending the frame, and the P&P axle had brakes fitted. For tray trucks it was popular to fit a single wheel pusher which were mainly fitted behind the drive axle, to allow a longer frame and tray, to gain more loading capacity (1 or 2 pallets) and avoid having to extend the tail shaft. These single wheel pushers had if I recall a front steer axle with non turning wheels and individual springs, I can't recall if they all had brakes on these single wheels. And this single wheel pusher was most common across Europe and UK, I think that we copied the UK with the single wheel axles. I have seen the UK and European single pushers fitted both in front and behind the drive axle. Single wheel pushers were also fitted to long distance buses, mostly behind the drive axle. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-445878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Binder Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Harry, I'm pretty sure everything is original. I've seen a few other trucks with the Budd drive and the Dayton pusher hubs. I've only seen pictures of the single wheel pushers. I've only seen single wheel tags on buses and RV's. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-446013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrybarbon Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I have been thinking - there would be a lot of benefits to reintroduce a pusher axle for highway trucks, that are not really requiring the 2nd drive axle, and using for example the Neway air bag suspension, the drive and pusher axles are independent, unlike the Page and Page system. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-446118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, harrybarbon said: I have been thinking - there would be a lot of benefits to reintroduce a pusher axle for highway trucks, that are not really requiring the 2nd drive axle, and using for example the Neway air bag suspension, the drive and pusher axles are independent, unlike the Page and Page system. I've thought that for years Harry. Both pusher and drag axles were very popular for a lot of years in trucks in my area, but faded out when "twin" screw became the normal. Two of my former tandem trucks are going to single drive with a drop axle for this very purpose. Tires are too expensive anymore to not need on the pavement constant for me. I have a drop axle on my water truck and another out back of the shop to use. Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-446124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrybarbon Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Seems to me that what is written by manufacturers about efficiency, environment, minimising materials for manufacture and future running and maintenance costs is more talk than really being serious to actually do what they say. The more I think about a single drive axle and a lifting pusher, for highway and normal road trucks, makes simple sense - which unfortunately is so missing at present. Tandem drive is not necessary for all trucks, so why is so much money invested in tandem drives!!! Think of the $'s that would be saved. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-446368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, harrybarbon said: Seems to me that what is written by manufacturers about efficiency, environment, minimising materials for manufacture and future running and maintenance costs is more talk than really being serious to actually do what they say. The more I think about a single drive axle and a lifting pusher, for highway and normal road trucks, makes simple sense - which unfortunately is so missing at present. Tandem drive is not necessary for all trucks, so why is so much money invested in tandem drives!!! Think of the $'s that would be saved. The savings would continue also not pulling the additional weight of the components. Of course that weight loss could easily convert to additional payload if running full truck loads. The savings are greater when running less that full load or short runs too. I've said time and time again the manufactures need to look to the past to build for the future. Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-446370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
70mackMB Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, harrybarbon said: Seems to me that what is written by manufacturers about efficiency, environment, minimising materials for manufacture and future running and maintenance costs is more talk than really being serious to actually do what they say. The more I think about a single drive axle and a lifting pusher, for highway and normal road trucks, makes simple sense - which unfortunately is so missing at present. Tandem drive is not necessary for all trucks, so why is so much money invested in tandem drives!!! Think of the $'s that would be saved. I work for a world wide company that has both single and tandem drive tractors. When l was told there would be a new tractor being added. They asked what l thought could be spec'd to cut operating costs. The first thing l mentioned was a lift push axle. My thoughts were 60% of the time we don't need a tandem. Your not using two sets of brakes, running four tires, turning a rearend, not paying a toll for that axle when lifted, and an improvement in fuel mileage. Being the penny pinching company they are this went on for six months asking different questions about what to order. ln the end a used Penske rental tandem rolled into the yard. Go figure! There is a local milk distributor that has a lift axel on there air ride refer trailers. The axle lifts automatically per how much weight is on the tandems. .....Hippy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-446374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrybarbon Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 My history lecturer said that our history has unlimited information for us to learn. Common sense is missing big time. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54113-1955-international-rdfc-405/#findComment-446381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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