Growing tired of the Kavanaugh show

[kscarbel2]

This is getting old real fast, seeing the headlines day after day after day.

It happened what.....three to four decades ago?

People evolve. Is it fair to judge the immature teenage Kavanaugh of 35 years ago by the convoluted standards championed by some today in year 2018? As Paul would say, it was another time and place, with different attitudes. Even today, when you travel from country to country, you need to realize and respect that you're in another place, with different attitudes.

I personally don't care if Kavanaugh gets in or not......just tired of hearing about it.

These women should have made their accusations years ago, told their parents, ect. (and avoided frat parties at Delta House).

[james j neiweem]

Careful what you wish for Dems. Trump may appoint someone you dislike even more.

[kscarbel2]

Jim, I'm troubled by our Supreme Court concept, given that justices may remain until......death. Respectfully speaking, I think they should retire at age 70. Serving into their eighties is ridiculous.

Of course, I'm for term limits on congress as well.

[Mack Technician]

 

55 minutes ago, kscarbel2 said:

Jim, I'm troubled by our Supreme Court concept, given that justices may remain until......death.

No offense to Ruth, since she gets up every morning and still hits the pavement (which is fascinating)...….. but @ 85 years old she needs more than an in-chassis overhaul to keep'er going. As elevated as some SCOTUS members are for their ability to discern, some lack the serenity to say "I'm too old for this, I'm losing my edge, let someone step into my position".

 

 

[kscarbel2]

After watching her testimony, I'm inclined to believe her story.

As for her not reporting it years ago, reflecting on the fact it was another time and place, with different attitudes, she would have been terrified to tell her parents and others out of shame.

Such an act by Kavanaugh would make him a teenage scumbag, as no man should force himself upon a woman.

Fast forwarding to today, if Dr. Ford's story is true, then Kavanaugh is inherently a liar, and thus a poor choice for Supreme Court judge.

Thirty-six years ago, an immature teenage Kavanaugh let his pants do his thinking. Is it fair to be held accountable almost four decades later? There's no easy answer.

[41chevy]

Any person that Trump picks from either party will get the same treatment, already stated by Schummer, Booker, Feinstein, and the rest of the Democrats. A Liberal  Interpretive Supreme Court is needed to control the sheeple by the Democrats not a Constitutional Court.

In 2018 when the Democrats take both houses back, they have vowed to impeach  Trump, Pence and Trumps people on the Supreme Court. In 2020 when the Michael Blumberg / Michelle Obama team win the presidency (he stated his campaign chest has 4.5 Billion dollars of his own money in it) these events will be a fond memory of better times when the working "trash" dared to interfere with the Gods of the Accella Corridor.

Edited September 28, 2018 by 41chevy

[hatcity]

• WELCOME!!! to the Senate Judiciary Committee Dog and Pony Show

[hicrop10]

41 Chevy,I was thinking maybe in 2020 it will be joe Biden/Corey booker.We will all be doom.

[GA_Dave]

6 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

After watching her testimony, I'm inclined to believe her story.

As for her not reporting it years ago, reflecting on the fact it was another time and place, with different attitudes, she would have been terrified to tell her parents and others out of shame.

Such an act by Kavanaugh would make him a teenage scumbag, as no man should force himself upon a woman.

Fast forwarding to today, if Dr. Ford's story is true, then Kavanaugh is inherently a liar, and thus a poor choice for Supreme Court judge.

Thirty-six years ago, an immature teenage Kavanaugh let his pants do his thinking. Is it fair to be held accountable almost four decades later? There's no easy answer.

I don't believe her as far as I can throw Rosie O'Donnell!  She hasn't kept her story straight since day one, her so-called "witnesses" have denied any knowledge of said events.  These are nothing short of baseless accusations designed to delay the confirmation hearing until it is too late before the midterms.  I have yet to see any evidence that Judge Kavannaugh has done anything he has been accused of doing.  Not one bit of proof.  Not a single witness who corroborates her story.  It doesn't matter how many women come forward with claims and accusations, until there is evidence or witnesses to prove them, it's all a bunch of hot air!

[kscarbel2]

50 minutes ago, GA_Dave said:

I don't believe her as far as I can throw Rosie O'Donnell!  She hasn't kept her story straight since day one, her so-called "witnesses" have denied any knowledge of said events.  These are nothing short of baseless accusations designed to delay the confirmation hearing until it is too late before the midterms.  I have yet to see any evidence that Judge Kavannaugh has done anything he has been accused of doing.  Not one bit of proof.  Not a single witness who corroborates her story.  It doesn't matter how many women come forward with claims and accusations, until there is evidence or witnesses to prove them, it's all a bunch of hot air!

The news reports I've read have reflected a consistent story line. I have not read of anyone accusing her of changing her story.

We don't know what the truth is....we weren't there. But she is convincing to me. Doesn't seem like the type to make it up.

The only witness, the one other teenage boy in the room, allegedly was Mark Judge. Ford never said there were any other people in the room.

I can't imagine any more evidence than what we've now seen.

As for parties, with each passing day, I feel even more strongly that political parties should be banned.

Bloomberg in 2020 for president?  The mere thought of that is very depressing.

[kscarbel2]

I think Piers Morgan nailed it............

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These are the words I originally wrote after Christine Blasey Ford finished testifying to the US Senate today:

‘I believe her. It’s as simple as that. For four hours, I watched Christine Blasey Ford testify to the US Senate and I found her to be an extraordinarily powerful, compelling and credible witness with regard to the sexual abuse she claims to have suffered at the hands of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

I was not alone. Twitter blew up with people from all sides of the political and social spectrum saying THEY believed her too. TV news anchors from CNN to Fox queued up to say they found Ford extremely convincing. And thus I imagine the vast majority of the tens of millions of Americans watching agog from their homes believed her as well.

Because the bottom line is that she was cool, calm, collected, and utterly believable. Her tears, when they came, felt real. Her testimony felt real.

SHE felt real.

I stopped writing when Brett Kavanaugh walked in to begin his testimony, but this, I felt certain, would be the theme of this column.

There was nothing Kavanaugh could surely say or do that could possibly alter this impression?

I was wrong.

Kavanaugh’s performance was one of the most stunning, raw, breath-taking displays of raw, raging fury that I have ever seen on live television.

He was surging with passion and indignant anger, and emotion; SO much emotion.

He cried, he sighed, he sniffed, he snorted.

And he ranted.

This was a man right on the edge, exploding before our very eyes at what he perceived to be the horrific injustice of what has befallen him.

Kavanaugh’s not just any man.

He’s one of America’s most experienced, respected judges; so a man who until two weeks ago, was considered to be someone of total integrity, someone beyond reproach.

And by the time he’d finished, I believed him too.

His tears, when they came, felt real. His testimony felt real. HE felt real.

But they can’t both be telling the truth, can they?

The bottom line is I don’t now know whom to believe, and I defy anyone else to either.

Ford and Kavanaugh were both equally convincing.

They both came over as decent, civilised, eloquent people.

They both were inherently believable.

The facts of this case remain unsubstantiated, disputed and debatable.

It comes down to whom you believe most, and I just don’t know the answer to that question.

Who can say, honestly and with any certainty, where the truth lies?

I can’t, can you?

What I can say though is that this was one of the most disgusting, disgraceful things I have ever witnessed.

For these two previously unknown people to be dragged through such a revolting public court of gladiatorial barbarism for the delectation of a mass TV audience was painful, so painful I could barely watch at times.

Yet it was an absolutely inevitable consequence of the way Washington has spiralled in recent years into a vile cesspit of extreme partisan bullsh*t – fuelled by rampant, vicious social media.

Today was a dark, tragic day for America.

It was a day when the whole country, and indeed much of the rest of the world, tuned in to see two people tortured and humiliated.

I get that Supreme Court nominees have to be vigorously vetted, and have to be held to a different standard of behaviour to the rest of us.

Brett Kavanaugh could be sitting on that court for 30-40 years, making the most important decisions in American law that could have far-reaching effects on the lives of 320 million people.

He HAS to be a man of unimpeachable character.

So yes, he has to be investigated.

And it’s perfectly right and proper that if a woman like Christine Blasey Ford believes she was sexually assaulted by Kavanaugh when she was just 15 years old, then her allegations should be thoroughly examined.

As should any other serious allegations.

But what we watched today was nothing short of a circus - a long, disturbing, wretched circus; a circus watched by a baying global mob, most of whom decided long before the hearings began whom they believed.

Kavanaugh looked unhinged today – perhaps too unhinged to ever sit on the Supreme Court - but if I’d been falsely accused of the stuff he’s been accused of in the past fortnight, I’d probably be pretty damn unhinged too.

He was fighting not just for a place on the Supreme Court, but for his reputation, his dignity, his family.

To see his loyal wife silently weeping throughout his testimony was agonising.

She knows that everything her husband has worked for in his entire life is now imperilled. Every security she took for granted about their family life is now threatened.

If Kavanaugh is guilty, then he deserves to be duly punished.

But what if he’s innocent?

What if Ms Ford, who was just a young teenage kid at the time, has got the wrong guy?

I don’t think she’s a liar, but maybe she made an honest mistake.

How do we know for sure?

How will we EVER know?

Where are the cold hard FACTS?

There aren’t any, there can’t possibly be any after 35 years.

What we’re left with is a stinking, horrible mess.

Many feel America has never felt so bitterly divided, and this ugly farce today will just pour fuel onto that blazing partisan fire.

I saw people on Twitter gleefully tearing both Ford and Kavanaugh to pieces all day long, all doing so from a politically partisan perspective.

If the situation was reversed, and Kavanaugh was a Democrat nominee, then all those screaming blue murder against him would be screaming in support of him, and all those currently supporting Ford would turn on her like two-faced rattlesnakes.

It’s not about any attempt at fair justice. It’s about politics.

The Democrats, led by Senator Dianne Feinstein, timed this bombshell to cause maximum damage to the nomination process, and to exploit the inevitable scandalous headlines to influence the vital midterm elections in just 40 days time.

Feinstein knew about Ford’s allegation two months ago. The right thing to do would have been to publicly demand an immediate investigation – including, if necessary, by the FBI.

Instead, she held it back, waiting to strike when the potential political gain was at its most timely.

In doing so, she behaved in exactly the same reprehensibly partisan self-serving manner that Republicans have behaved over previous Democrat Supreme Court nominations.

But that makes her just as bad as them. Shame on Senator Feinstein, shame on the Democrats.

That such an important moment in American history should be reduced to this horrific bear-pit is as absurd as it’s unacceptable.

Every American who genuinely cares about their country should share my outrage about what they watched today.

At one stage, Kavanaugh was actually grilled about flatulence - in the United States Senate by a serving United States senator.

Think about that for a moment.

The whole thing was a complete and utter disgrace.

Or as Senator Lindsey Graham put it today: ‘The most despicable thing I have ever seen in politics.’ 

[HeavyGunner]

Well listening to the news on the  radio one of her friends that was allegedly there when the rape happened decided not to t lol her story once she learned she would be put under oath. This amnesia bit I dint buy either (she can't remember where when etc). This just seems like the Russian collusion bs, if the dems had any actual evidence we would've heard it by now instead these never ending "investigations" that have all turned up what....NOTHING. Remember this is the same political party that sabatoged their own candidate (Bernie) for candidate who has STOOD BY THE BIGGEST ME TOO SCANDAL EVER BILL CLINTON. 

[HeavyGunner]

Just remember if we allow accusations to completely bury someone, make them lose everything with no evidence or due process we better be ready to have the same happen to us. This guilty in the court of social media opinion is the farthest thing from the rights this country gives us. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, the right to a FAIR trial, due process, the right to face your accuser in the court of law. Not so much today, any moron that wants to flex their keyboard muscles can literally ruin your life whether something is true or not. 

[kscarbel2]

I remember most events in my life from 36 years ago, the major points, but I certainly don't remember every detail.

[41chevy]

2 hours ago, HeavyGunner said:

Just remember if we allow accusations to completely bury someone, make them lose everything with no evidence or due process we better be ready to have the same happen to us. This guilty in the court of social media opinion is the farthest thing from the rights this country gives us. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, the right to a FAIR trial, due process, the right to face your accuser in the court of law. Not so much today, any moron that wants to flex their keyboard muscles can literally ruin your life whether something is true or not. 

Sorry but the #me too movement and Senator Kamala Harris in her 3600+ different Facebook Ads decree that in matters of a woman claiming any assault, the man is considered guilty til proven other wise and lack of evidence or witnesses has no bearing on the presumption of guilt. No other senator appears to be doing as much Kavanaugh-related advertising on Facebook.

Edited September 28, 2018 by 41chevy

[Hayseed]

3 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

It’s not about any attempt at fair justice. It’s about politics.

I have No dog in this Fight whatsoever.. But ^^^^^^^^^^^^ this says It All in my opinion..

[kscarbel2]

I don't have a Facebook or Twitter account. There are far more ways to productively utilize my time.

Sharing your life on social media would have to take up most of one's time. I suppose focusing their mind on an actual job is out of the question.

[tenfive0]

IT'S ALL PLAIN AND SIMPLE BULL CRAP. This have all been noting more then a power struggle by the hierarchy and elitist in our government who think they are entitled to do our choosing. I have no sympathy for any of them. Ford and Kavanaugh allowed themselves to be put on stage and used as Pawns in the game of politics. Really the Supreme Court. The name alone Supreme conjures a vision of dominance over us all. The proceedings were a shame and it shouldn't have came as a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention to what our country has become over the past few decades. It's a sad state of affairs, a disgrace and embarrassment to our country whichever side you chose. I'm not choosing sides and I don't give a crap. I don't have a dog in the race. I just struggle with the mess the government leaves us to deal with everyday.

Do you really think any of these turds who believe themselves to be superior or supreme over us all care or give a crap about the hoi polloi? We are only considered deplorable servants who are left with the crumbs they chose to leave us after they pick the bones clean. The principles and values this country was founded on have been trampled and our founding fathers are surly rolling over in their graves.  

[kscarbel2]

Or, is this but one of an ongoing line of distractions targeted at the massed designed to lure their attention away from other matters?

"Distract the masses" is one of the oldest plays in the Book of Government. And governments around the world have got it down to a science.

Remember that classic movie line, "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".

[HeavyGunner]

10 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

I remember most events in my life from 36 years ago, the major points, but I certainly don't remember every detail.

I bet you remember impactful things, like kids being born, where you were when 9/11 happened, when someone close to you tragically passed so I thinks it's fair to say you wouldn't forget something that affects you the rest of your life like rape. That's why I'm having a hard time believing this story plus if you couple it with the dems vs reps angle for a Supreme Court justice just before midterm elections that makes me think it's more a ruse than an actual event that happened. Let's also not forget that since trump has been elected all you ever hear is the democrats claiming one scandal after another on this administration and basically found nothing but sure as hell stir the pot every day. I don't care much for either party but the democrats in the last 10 years have  the most bitter evil political practices I've ever seen and I'd never be comfortable voting for them. If they don't get their way they have told their constituents to harass and yell and curse at the opposition in public, have called their non constituents nasty names in public but since the way our crazy world is that is deemed ok, they are cultivating a generation of immature whiny citizens who have no work ethics or values and unfortunately they will vote for the dems because their lack of work ethic and entitlement will force them to leach off of the government. 

Edited September 28, 2018 by HeavyGunner

[tenfive0]

It ain't OVER YET... More of the same crap today.

[fjh]

Yup Its sad!  if  that woman had spoken up years ago It would have been MAYBE somewhat more credible as it is In my mind she wasting everyones time! And screwing with peoples lives!

[grayhair]

I don't believe her story, zero, zip.  More like growing up in fancy prep school and country club life, followed by fancy degrees from Stanford and USC, and now realizes that she is not famous any isn't going to be.

But wait, here is my last chance at a being on TV, on The View, MSNBC, a book deal, more TV interviews, a movie with screenplay royalties, I can be famous.  I can be SOMEBODY. This is my chance. 

Anonymity my ass.  She actually got what she wanted.  Watch for her TV appearances and a book deal.  My two cents. 

Edited September 28, 2018 by grayhair

[kscarbel2]

10 hours ago, fjh said:

Yup Its sad!  if  that woman had spoken up years ago It would have been MAYBE somewhat more credible as it is In my mind she wasting everyones time! And screwing with peoples lives!

I had to reconsider my position on this, as it was another time and place with differing attitudes. This happened when a good woman feared telling her parents. Some parents cared more about burying it, lest neighbors, relatives and friends learn of it, to their embarrassment, than they did the daughter’s mental trauma of being raped, and heaven forbid impregnated. Am I wrong?

This is all assuming she’s telling the truth. 

For the record, and I’ll be candid as usual, I don’t care for most wealthy people (Mark being a rare exception), particularly if they spoil their children. I’m a public school boy with a dislike for private, prep, boys and girl’s schools. 

[DailyDiesel]

1 minute ago, kscarbel2 said:

I had to reconsider my position on this, as it was another time and place with differing attitudes. This happened when a good woman feared telling her parents. Some parents cared more about burying it, lest neighbors, relatives and friends learn of it, to their embarrassment, than they did the daughter’s mental trauma of being raped, and heaven forbid impregnated. Am I wrong?

You are not wrong. Sadly our elected officials felt the best way to handle the issue was to make this woman testify and relieve those events before the entire world. Why the rush? Why this candidate? Is he really the best pick? I doubt it. Simply put he has been groomed by the establishment under Ken Starr, George Bush, and now Trump to be the lastest pawn that will tow the party line.

Despite the screams of the Republicans that Democrats are playing games (which they are) let us not forget the little stunt they pulled with Merrick Garland. They simply refused to hold any hearings to begin the nomination process. Now that they are receiving a taste of their own medicine and they don't like it one bit.

The system is far past broken.