MackDaddy85 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Hello all! I'm new to trucking just purchased an 04 Mack Vision with 427k on it for $6K. Long story short truck was sitting for a couple years but was well maintained. I put like $5k into it and it ran great. Leased on to a company and drove the truck for 2 months with no issues. Truck has 437k on it now and i'm almost sure I ruined the motor (E7 460). Picked up a load in upstate New York and on my way back I ran out of fuel (rookie mistake). I basically thought i had more fuel than I did, fuel gauge had a bad wire so i was resetting trip meter every fill up. Anyways ran out of fuel walked 2 miles down the highway got 5 gallons. Good samaritan gave me a ride back. Put the 5 gallons in and here is where i think the damage was done. After we put the fuel in I had the guy helping me shoot starter fluid in the air intake while i cranked it. After a couple of tries we got it to start and i thought all was well. Drove 50 miles and i begin to feel the truck losing power on top of that i see thick black smoke coming from the exhaust. I pulled over again bled all the lines of any air even changed the fuel filter with a new one but still no power and all this black smoke. I make it to my mechanic after 6 hours of driving and he tells me I may have burned the valve and need new heads. He recommends I replace heads and do total rebuild on the motor which is going to cost around $10K. Do I rebuild this truck or get a loan to finance another one. I really don't want any payments. Everything was going well until this idiotic mistake of mine cost me my truck. Was making decent money with company I leased on to was averaging $3k per week Mon-Fri home every night all local runs 200-300 miles/Day. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackDaddy85 Posted November 18, 2018 Author Share Posted November 18, 2018 I def learned from this never to let my tank go below 1/4 of maybe even half. Rookie mistake oh and also Ether and diesel engines are no good esp if you dont 100% know what you're doing. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex g Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Personally I don't think you caused damage by using either although it's not recommended but it's not like your the first one to ever use it. It sounds like to me you have a turbo pressure leak wether it be turbo issues or a leak somewhere in the system. 04 Mack's are very troublesome and famous for turbo issues. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackDaddy85 Posted November 18, 2018 Author Share Posted November 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, alex g said: Personally I don't think you caused damage by using either although it's not recommended but it's not like your the first one to ever use it. It sounds like to me you have a turbo pressure leak wether it be turbo issues or a leak somewhere in the system. 04 Mack's are very troublesome and famous for turbo issues. There was a leak in the exhaust manifold so we changed the gasket but i still have that black smoke coming from the exhaust and I forgot to mention I have no compression in Cylinders 1 and 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex g Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 How did they come to conclusion you have no compression in those cylinders? You will have a very bad miss if you are down 2 cylinders Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fjh Posted November 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) In my opinion you have blown off some injector tips with some shit in the tank water or something from off the bottom of the tank IF it sounds like it is missing ! No compression produces blu smoke usually! Black smoke means not enough air or to much fuel look for a blown turbo hose / bad turbo or something!Before you let these guys rip into anything on the engine! Check some stuff First !!!! Edited November 18, 2018 by fjh 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackDaddy85 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 5 hours ago, alex g said: How did they come to conclusion you have no compression in those cylinders? You will have a very bad miss if you are down 2 cylinders correct engine is still misfiring. there was a leak in exhaust manifold so i replaced the gaskets but black smoke is still coming out and I have low power. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackDaddy85 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 hours ago, fjh said: In my opinion you have blown off some injector tips with some shit in the tank water or something from off the bottom of the tank IF it sounds like it is missing ! No compression produces blu smoke usually! Black smoke means not enough air or to much fuel look for a blown turbo hose / bad turbo or something!Before you let these guys rip into anything on the engine! Check some stuff First !!!! ok will do Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackDaddy85 Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 Should I just get 2 Heads from Mack Dealer for $1250 a piece and get an In Frame Kit Dealer told me best bet is to get the Muzzleloader?? Just want to get my truck back on the road ASAP but the right way. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fjh Posted November 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Buddy ! Have you confirmed the issue! ???? Confirmed a bad valves ???? Reman heads are just OK ! quality control sucks at the reman centre !Muzzle loaders are Only as good As the guy putting it together! I recommend Not just slamming the kits in with out first removing the pistons from the sleeves and checking ring gap alignment !!!! We have had these come in with three out of six ring gaps lined up not a good senerio! for you or your builder! However In light off what has happened And the order in which it happened Really question the diagnosis ! The smoke color e:ct does not add up in my mind! just sayin Edited November 19, 2018 by fjh 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
880joe Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I would check with a local machine shop on rebuilding your heads my local machine shop done mine for half of what mack wanted. Also a PAI inflame kit would save you some money Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackDaddy85 Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 14 hours ago, 880joe said: I would check with a local machine shop on rebuilding your heads my local machine shop done mine for half of what mack wanted. Also a PAI inflame kit would save you some money Found A PAI inframe kit on Ebay for $2885. Mack Dealer by me charges $3750 for Inframe Kit and $1050 for Heads. Debating on if i should get the ebay Inframe or mack. I dont think the Ebay one comes with head gaskets Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Sure hate to see you spend all that money & it only be a boost leak of some sort 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackDaddy85 Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 10:11 PM, 1965 said: Sure hate to see you spend all that money & it only be a boost leak of some sort Besides the power issue I have this thick black smoke whenever I Press the gas. No compression in 2 cylinders. I really think I did some internal damage from spraying too much ether into the air filter. At one point when I was cranking the engine initially with the ether the RPM guage Red lined all the way until it couldn't go anymore. I def messed up a piston or something. Engine has been misfiring since my ether mess Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dirtymilkman Posted November 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2018 7 hours ago, MackDaddy85 said: Besides the power issue I have this thick black smoke whenever I Press the gas. No compression in 2 cylinders. I really think I did some internal damage from spraying too much ether into the air filter. At one point when I was cranking the engine initially with the ether the RPM guage Red lined all the way until it couldn't go anymore. I def messed up a piston or something. Engine has been misfiring since my ether mess Sell the truck and work for Walmart. You'll be money ahead. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 10 hours ago, MackDaddy85 said: Besides the power issue I have this thick black smoke whenever I Press the gas. No compression in 2 cylinders. I really think I did some internal damage from spraying too much ether into the air filter. At one point when I was cranking the engine initially with the ether the RPM guage Red lined all the way until it couldn't go anymore. I def messed up a piston or something. Engine has been misfiring since my ether mess Sounds like scored cylinders with the running wide open while cold. terry 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldRedMack Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Maybe I'm wrong, but listen to fjh!! Is it more believable that you ruined your engine in a few seconds, or that you sucked up trash and plugged 2 eups, and in the process loosened an intake pressure hose. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 9:53 AM, fjh said: However In light off what has happened And the order in which it happened Really question the diagnosis ! just sayin Me Too.. Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 So now we get more dribbles of info half assed questions half baked replies I’m done !!! Wall mart is a good idea! Had you saidyou had a runaway to start with we may have given better advice.yup you screwed up! want help? Post the whole story next time I’m Done talking! 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxidyne Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 If you don't know the dangers of ether, you shouldn't own a big truck. Or even a VW diesel. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 So Now that I have calmed down and thinking a tad clearer ! I apologize A bit for the out burst ! I hadn't taken into account your Greenness (for lack of a better word) to the trucking industry ! BUT ! If you had posted the whole story to start with Including the RPM Part ! It would have saved a bit of time and Typing and useless Ideas on our part! The Heads and bad or bent valves make sence somewhat now ! Now you have a huge can of worms ,head issues as well, as a possible cam failure now or for the future ! Not to be mean here But The sell the truck idea is a real good idea ! Or A good used engine may work for ya! 2004 was the most troublesome of years for this model of truck So throwing a big bag of money at it is NOT a good idea! Just sayin Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Probably a crown broke off a piston, possibly bent pushrods, bent valves, I've even seen timing gears crack from over reving. Also saw a clutch explode from that too. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfarms Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 If you don't know the dangers of ether, you shouldn't own a big truck. Or even a VW diesel.I was taught a long time ago that less ether is better. Ether is fine, several of my truck had KBI cold weather metered ether injection kits on them when I got them, but they did not appear to ever been used. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackDaddy85 Posted November 24, 2018 Author Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/22/2018 at 9:59 AM, Dirtymilkman said: Sell the truck and work for Walmart. You'll be money ahead. Thanks for the advice but I'm not built to quit...wasn't raised that way. Made a costly rookie mistake but I own up to my mistakes and will tackle them head on. Thanks Bud Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackDaddy85 Posted November 24, 2018 Author Share Posted November 24, 2018 14 hours ago, Maxidyne said: If you don't know the dangers of ether, you shouldn't own a big truck. Or even a VW diesel. Now I know....costly lesson but lesson learned nonetheless Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54844-2004-vision-cx613-engine-damage/#findComment-409914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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