msbulldog601 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I replaced a/c parts on my condenser, air dryer, thermostatic switch in dash, evaporator. I charged the system up it started to blow cold but once I got in the truck to drive it the air started to blow less cool than when sitting at idle. The truck is a 97 Ch 613 Dump Truck(Day Cab). The next day after charging I got up for work turn the ac on still cold when at idle sitting and warmer when driving. Would could cause that? Also while driving the A/C shut off completely on its on so I immediately turn the controls to off until I could pull over. I pulled no over let the hood up turn the controls on I get nothing out the vents not even hot air. Can anyone help me figure this out 1. Why did the air become warmer when driving and 2. Why would it just shut off like it did? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 You failed to properly insert the freeze stinger into the dash evaporator core. It’s too shallow. Your symptom perfectly describes “freeze up”. Get a clothes hanger, straighten it, Jam it into the core where the freeze stinger is planted, once it’s hogged out put the stinger in as deep as you can. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullfuel01 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 make sure the coolant line are closing properly to the heater radiator. The air is pushed to both radiator before exiting in the cab . 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
c-mac Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 clamp off the heater hoses and see if that helps Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 8:38 AM, Mack Technician said: You failed to properly insert the freeze stinger into the dash evaporator core. It’s too shallow. Your symptom perfectly describes “freeze up”. Get a clothes hanger, straighten it, Jam it into the core where the freeze stinger is planted, once it’s hogged out put the stinger in as deep as you can. After I use the clothes hanger to open it up and put the freeze stinger line back in what do I do next how do I get things back to working and thawed out since it frozen up? I would like to say also I tried turning the system on just to see what it would do I still get nothing but I do get a smell in the cab a strong smell maybe from the vents. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 10 hours ago, fullfuel01 said: make sure the coolant line are closing properly to the heater radiator. The air is pushed to both radiator before exiting in the cab . Okay I will check and let you know what I come up with thanks so much for your help and suggestion. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 hours ago, c-mac said: clamp off the heater hoses and see if that helps Okay I will try it once I get the system back up and blowing. Thanks so much for your help and suggestion. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I like the heater water control idea more that the stinger, they were notorious for leaking hot flow, but it can't explain zero air flow and then HVAC system working fine next time you run it? Freeze up would cut your air off completely and stop the air flow. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Mack Technician said: I like the heater water control idea more that the stinger, they were notorious for leaking hot flow, but it can't explain zero air flow and then HVAC system working fine next time you run it? Freeze up would cut your air off completely and stop the air flow. I took a clothes hanger and ran it up in the evaporator until it bottom out a few time stuff the stinger back in until it bottom out put everything back together started the truck turn the Ac controls to on still nothing no air flow you can hear like it wants to come on but nothing. The heater control is switched to off I went under the hood and pushed it all the way to the off position. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Failed water valve can still leak hot water when fully stroked to off position. Do as Cmac suggested and clamp the hose. You have no working HVAC fan? Edited August 26, 2019 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: Water valve can still leak hot water when fully stroked to off position. Do as Cmac suggested and clamp the hose. You have no working HVAC fan? Okay will do and do you recommend changing it out with a new one if clamping the hoses do help? To answer your question correctly, when you say "fan" do you mean the big fan that blows across the radiator & condenser or the ac blower motor in the dash? The large fan is working that mounted in the front of the engine that blows across radiator and condenser. Excuse me for taking you around the world but I wanted to be clear. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Blower motor in dash. It works properly and always moves air? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) What are you looking for(or at?) under the hood when the A/C stops working? Quote I pulled no over let the hood up turn the controls on I get nothing out the vents not even hot air. Edited August 26, 2019 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: Blower motor in dash. It works properly and always moves air? Okay no the blower motor in the dash is no longer blowing any type of air. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 I pulled over after the sudden stoppage of air blowing I wanted to just take a look at the a/c components under the hood like the belt that drive the compressor, the compress it self just make sure things was still in place and everything looked fine and in place. I turned the controls back on then went to take a look. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, msbulldog601 said: Okay no the blower motor in the dash is no longer blowing any type of air. Will a "freeze up" not allow it to blow air? Edited August 26, 2019 by msbulldog601 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) If you have no air moving at start up it is not a freeze issue. And you say the fan completely stopped working suddenly.... You need to stop and get your HVAC (heating, ventilation, Air Conditioning) dash blower working. If blower motor fails to work on all three speed levels then check to see if you have a blown fuse. If fuse is blown (or circuit breaker fuse failed) then replace it and retry. Edited August 27, 2019 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Mack Technician said: If you have no air moving at start up it is not a freeze issue. You need to stop and get your HVAC (heating, ventilation, Air Conditioning) dash blower working. If blower motor fails to work on all three speed levels then check to see if you have a blown fuse. If fuse is blow (or circuit breaker fuse failed) then replace it and retry. Okay will do and get back to you on that hopefully that works... is it possible to contact MACK dealership parts department so they can help me with a fuse diagram for my truck since the diagram is missing that suppose to be in fuse box Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Google “Mack E media”. They sell complete wiring diagrams. $22.00 Edited August 26, 2019 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: Google “Mack E media”. They sell complete wiring diagrams. Thank You Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfarms Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 A evaporator core full of dirt and dust can cause a similar condition. I have had it happen in several vehicles where the AC would work fine then after a while stop. But if I went to lunch it would work after lunch Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Quickfarms said: A evaporator core full of dirt and dust can cause a similar condition. I have had it happen in several vehicles where the AC would work fine then after a while stop. But if I went to lunch it would work after lunch thanks for your helpful input but the evaporator core is brand new just installed it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 If the fan is running and no air comes out its Froze or blocked. You cant blow air through an ice cube. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 You need to put a ball valve or some kind of shut off on at least one heater hose.The stock one doesnt completely shut off. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-430969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
msbulldog601 Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 8/26/2019 at 2:04 PM, Mack Technician said: If you have no air moving at start up it is not a freeze issue. And you say the fan completely stopped working suddenly.... You need to stop and get your HVAC (heating, ventilation, Air Conditioning) dash blower working. If blower motor fails to work on all three speed levels then check to see if you have a blown fuse. If fuse is blown (or circuit breaker fuse failed) then replace it and retry. I have the blower motor back going now I’m going to work on getting the air cool now I’m gonna clamp off the hose and drive it to see what that does... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/58758-ch-613-ac-blow-warmer-when-driving/#findComment-431157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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