mhotrodscooter Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 can anyone tell me what idle fuel pressure is supposed be? this one 60psi @idle and 82psi wot. fighting a fuel dilution problem. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Your in the zone with what you you have! We have had this problem and it was injector! Having said that Mack E service had us put die in the fuel filter and run the engine for a minute or so the die showed up right away at the offending injector under the black light ! In your case in an MR its going to be tough cause half the truck has to come apart to get the valve cover off How ever its either this or replace all six! Just Sayin! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-432877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 50-85PSI full rev and no load. No need to reinvent this wheel....Click on link, may be helpful. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-432880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: 50-85PSI full rev and no load. No need to reinvent this wheel....Click on link, may be helpful. Good call Teck I didn't read the tittle Duhhh! I assumed his 15 MR! Edited September 26, 2019 by fjh Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-432881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhotrodscooter Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: 50-85PSI full rev and no load. No need to reinvent this wheel....Click on link, may be helpful. i read that link yesterday. oil pan was off 300 hours ago. changed delta seal, only 500hrs or so on eup pumps, nozzle o'rings change 300hrs ago, fuel dilution went from 5.3 to 8.5 on this sample. new oil and filters installed 300hrs ago. ive checked the fuel bore plugs when the pan was off. no leaks from that area then. think the eup pumps have done took a dump? they was mack remains funny thing we have a e7 having the same issue with around 1000hrs on its eup pumps Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-432882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhotrodscooter Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 52 minutes ago, fjh said: Your in the zone with what you you have! We have had this problem and it was injector! Having said that Mack E service had us put die in the fuel filter and run the engine for a minute or so the die showed up right away at the offending injector under the black light ! In your case in an MR its going to be tough cause half the truck has to come apart to get the valve cover off How ever its either this or replace all six! Just Sayin! thanks for the input. ive aready learned alot from this site in a short time, 20years of automotive switching over to big rig stuff is tough, not enough info out there like on gas burners ive got a mp7 that i did a leak test on all 6 injectors leaking around stems, got 6 in a box ready to be installed Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-432883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) You have a neighbor that hates your guts? In the famous words of Fred......Just sayin! You’ve covered your bases pretty well and two machines with fuel, it would be a dirt trick to pull. Is your transfer pump original? Did you have someone pumping your hand primer like a mad man while you watched those gallery plugs? Remember the condition of RED’s transfer on his AI-370. It was still mostly running and putting a load of filings into his secondary fuel filter. A scenario like that, running failure, could be an issue? Not sure if he was seeing fuel in oil via pump driveshaft seal though.... Edited September 26, 2019 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-432888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhotrodscooter Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/26/2019 at 12:24 PM, Mack Technician said: You have a neighbor that hates your guts? In the famous words of Fred......Just sayin! You’ve covered your bases pretty well and two machines with fuel, it would be a dirt trick to pull. Is your transfer pump original? Did you have someone pumping your hand primer like a mad man while you watched those gallery plugs? Remember the condition of RED’s transfer on his AI-370. It was still mostly running and putting a load of filings into his secondary fuel filter. A scenario like that, running failure, could be an issue? Not sure if he was seeing fuel in oil via pump driveshaft seal though.... Actually pulled the fuel filter and put dye, then started the truck let it run for a minute. took off the feed line and put a regulator and set air pressure @80psi and plugged return line. let it sit over night found that all 6 where leaking changed seals did a retest, but was really hard to tell where the dye was coming from. could have been left over from the first test. just got another sample back today al-400 with fuel dilution. the fuel plug had actual back out on it ,and was leaking fuel outside the cover Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 So I am miss understanding is the new fuel sample clear or not? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhotrodscooter Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, fjh said: So I am miss understanding is the new fuel sample clear or not? "not" went from 5.3 to 8.3 in 225 hours with new oil. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 You guys sound like you have these engines figured out. That being said, are you following protocol when installing these EUP's? Unless your a huge fleet(or dealership) you shouldn't be seeing this many chronic, consecutive, fuel-to-oil cross contamination issues? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Did you test with the die after you replaced the o rings? Your positive the fuel ain’t coming from the transfer pump!? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhotrodscooter Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: You guys sound like you have these engines figured out. That being said, are you following protocol when installing these EUP's? Unless your a huge fleet(or dealership) you shouldn't be seeing this many chronic, consecutive, fuel-to-oil cross contamination issues? we have mack trucks impact, not sure what protocol is,but my boss doesnt want to waste money on parts. yet he'll waste money on oil and filters Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, mhotrodscooter said: we have mack trucks impact, not sure what protocol is,but my boss doesnt want to waste money on parts. yet he'll waste money on oil and filters Rotating Cam till your on the low circle of the fuel lobe, pulling the EUP down evenly with two drivers simultaneously....or, as I usually do, get it on low circle and place a large seal bar against the top of EUP near pump body's center and compress it into the bore then run a bolt down to hold it in place. Clean the taper cut of the bores upper rim, making sure rust is removed and everything is lubed with clean motor oil. Mack wants new bolts every go-round. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhotrodscooter Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, fjh said: Did you test with the die after you replaced the o rings? Your positive the fuel ain’t coming from the transfer pump!? yes but had dye from the previous test, didnt take the extra steps to try and old dye washed away. it wasnt coming from the pump when i had the pan off. thats not saying its not coming from it now though. its got almost 2000hrs on a set of new eup pumps Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhotrodscooter Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: Rotating Cam till your on the low circle of the fuel lobe, pulling the EUP down evenly with two drivers simultaneously....or, as I usually do, get it on low circle and place a large seal bar against the top of EUP near pump body's center and compress it into the bore then run a bolt down to hold it in place. Clean the taper cut of the bores upper rim, making sure rust is removed and everything is lubed with clean motor oil. Mack wants new bolts every go-round. yes sir.. would you think mack just had a bad batch of eup remans in that year Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) I haven’t seen many reman eup s fail! However I’m not a huge fan of Mack reman parts either poor quality workman ship is rampant. OR low /loose rebuild specs! just me maybe!🤔 Edited September 30, 2019 by fjh Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, mhotrodscooter said: yes sir.. would you think mack just had a bad batch of eup remans in that year Don’t know, I wouldn’t have anything to base it on. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59172-04-al-350-fuel-pressure/#findComment-433110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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