irishflyer97 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Hello, I am looking at a 01 Vision, that has an Eaton Autoshift. Not my favorite thing in the world. I was wondering if to swap in a Mack 10 speed, or a 13/18, would I need an entire bellhousing, clutch system, shift rod, to make the switch? (Driveshaft mod is a given). Another idea is on the Autoshift, to replace the top electronic cover with a manual stick and shift rails, as I don't think the ECM depended on the transmisions info to run properly. Just wondering how crazy I might be thinking...lol... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 That auto shift still uses a clutch pedal !? Me thinks! An eighteen might be an option! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishflyer97 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 Gen 1 Autoshift by the looks of it. So, yep, clutch pedal present and accounted for. My concern is does the bellhousing adapter for an Eaton setup utilize the same clutch rod setup, or do I just swap everything out? I am thinking changing the top shifter box and disabling the auto's pcm would be the most cost effective to get going, and watch for a 18 speed donor truck. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxidyne Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Easier to just buy a truck with the transmission you want. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishflyer97 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 Fair point, but there are not alot of pre-emission Visions around that are in decent shape. This truck also is within 8 hours of me, and happens to be about $10k less than anything else I have located to date. I have some room to modify a bit. Besides, I haven't seen a Vision with a Mack 18 speed ever, that I am aware of. I am also pretty sure the early Autoshifts are still RTLO transmissions, just with an electronic shifting cover on it, that could be easily switched back to a manual 10 speed cover and stick. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxidyne Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 That's a 19 year old truck, not worth swapping major components around. Once a highway truck is over 10 years old it's not worth enough to justify major repairs or modifications. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishflyer97 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 A top cover and shifter parts can be had for about $400 bucks to convert it back to a manual. Run a new air line from the box to the shifter, put a plate in the floor, add a boot, and pretty much done. I have been reading about it tonight, and found the original Gen 1 could be easily converted to manuals, a selling point to get fleets to try them out. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 If you change top plate to manual the range valve will not have a mount to bolt onto the main case. Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishflyer97 Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 I think there is a back mount and a mid mount. These are FRO 10 speeds. My mechanic thinks it's possible, and has the parts from a junked FRO. If I go this route, I'll report back. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Be sure and let us know about that. 1 Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishflyer97 Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 OK, talked to Tidwell Transmissions in Dallas, the big guru on these contraptions. He states that the Gen 1 can be converted, it needs two holes tapped on the case to mount the high low, and the interlock pin boss needs sleeved and finished to do it right. He has done some of them. This is the Gen 1, not the later ones. Cost could exceeed 1,000, so easier to get a used FRO 10 speed and call it a day..lol. Or, fjh thinking is the same as mine, a Mack 18 speed would look nice in there. That might have to come later on. But anyway, thats what I have found. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Nope put a fuller back in! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david wild Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 yeah why install crap ?? unless you like abuse Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ws721 Posted November 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 10:04 PM, Maxidyne said: That's a 19 year old truck, not worth swapping major components around. Once a highway truck is over 10 years old it's not worth enough to justify major repairs or modifications. Wow!! So im in the wrong with the 6 trucks that are all 1993 or older that we have greatly modified to be better more efficient trucks for us? Not to mention the modified trucks that we have sold. Seems to me that if your paying for it you should have what works best for you. My 1.6 million mile 26 yr old road tractor does a fine job. Its had many mod's done to it. Very rarely does it go a day without at least 1 compliment. If its man made it may fail someday. If its new electronic P.O.S. it WILL fail. And you most likely cant fix it on the side of the road to get ya home. Just my thoughts. One of our 93's had a PEEK 3406C. The other 3406C is mechanical. I converted the PEEC to full mechanical pump. Twice the truck now. My 83 Mack still goes trucking during the summer. The E9 gets @ 6.1 MPG. Each to their own but im with "The King Of Obsolete". Hope im not too opinionated, just wanted to add my 2 cents 5 1 Quote Remember if it's got a hood it's no good! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-435997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tjc transport Posted November 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2019 why spend money on an old reliable truck when you can buy a new piece of junk that will require more time in the shop than on the road. but really, an eaton/fuller 13 or 18 speed would be the ticket. better trans than the mack units. plus parts will always be available for them. with the way vulva is running things, anything with "Mack" name on it is getting harder and harder to find. 2 1 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg1 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 43 minutes ago, ws721 said: Wow!! So im in the wrong with the 6 trucks that are all 1993 or older that we have greatly modified to be better more efficient trucks for us? Not to mention the modified trucks that we have sold. Seems to me that if your paying for it you should have what works best for you. My 1.6 million mile 26 yr old road tractor does a fine job. Its had many mod's done to it. Very rarely does it go a day without at least 1 compliment. If its man made it may fail someday. If its new electronic P.O.S. it WILL fail. And you most likely cant fix it on the side of the road to get ya home. Just my thoughts. One of our 93's had a PEEK 3406C. The other 3406C is mechanical. I converted the PEEC to full mechanical pump. Twice the truck now. My 83 Mack still goes trucking during the summer. The E9 gets @ 6.1 MPG. Each to their own but im with "The King Of Obsolete". Hope im not too opinionated, just wanted to add my 2 cents nope i say your right on the money 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxidyne Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 And if you could afford a new truck you'd buy it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tjc transport Posted November 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Maxidyne said: And if you could afford a new truck you'd buy it. nope, i would buy 5 or 6 old ones, fix them up, and be ahead of the game in both money and productivity. i keep asking my boss to buy my old 99 or even the 05 granite back, this new 2020 truck is a royal piece of garbage. when it runs it runs great...............when it runs. Edited November 16, 2019 by tjc transport 7 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post keg1 Posted November 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2019 20 hours ago, Maxidyne said: And if you could afford a new truck you'd buy it. no way in hell 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishflyer97 Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 Well, I ended up finding a 2000 CH613 that will work better. It has a Super 10, a step up from the Gen 1 Autoshift. I did notice that Super 10 RTLO1610B is the same length as a RTLO16913B and the 18 speed....🤔...😀 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post snowman_w900 Posted November 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) On 11/10/2019 at 9:04 PM, Maxidyne said: That's a 19 year old truck, not worth swapping major components around. Once a highway truck is over 10 years old it's not worth enough to justify major repairs or modifications. LMAO, now is that an opinion piece or an actual fact that has so much proof it can be backed up? You're gonna have to have LOTS AND LOTS of proof to get most of us to agree or believe that statement you made. Edited November 18, 2019 by snowman_w900 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 11 hours ago, irishflyer97 said: Well, I ended up finding a 2000 CH613 that will work better. It has a Super 10, a step up from the Gen 1 Autoshift. I did notice that Super 10 RTLO1610B is the same length as a RTLO16913B and the 18 speed....🤔...😀 “A man with two transmissions never knows what gear he’s in.” ~Confucius 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxidyne Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, snowman_w900 said: LMAO, now is that an opinion piece or an actual fact that has so much proof it can be backed up? You're gonna have to have LOTS AND LOTS of proof to get most of us to agree or believe that statement you made. Simple economics- A 10 year old truck is generally worth less on the market than an engine rebuild or major modification= It's cheaper to buy another truck! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tjc transport Posted November 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Maxidyne said: Simple economics- A 10 year old truck is generally worth less on the market than an engine rebuild or major modification= It's cheaper to buy another truck! really? we sold a 14 year old Granite last year for $73,000 and a 15 year old kenworth this spring for $89,000 independents that have to struggle to stay in business by working every day of the week to make ends meet do not want the garbage made these days, they want the old reliable trucks that do not break every other day. the only people that want new trucks are large corporations that write the trucks off, and union drivers that refuse to drive old trucks. 3 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 She's feeding on you...…. don't take the bait! 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/59793-replacing-eaton-autoshift-with-a-mack-10-or-13-speed-in-01-vision/#findComment-436211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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