Impeached

[RowdyRebel]

On 12/19/2019 at 10:28 PM, DJC said:

Evangelical publication calls for Trump's removal from office

(CNN)A leading Christian magazine founded by late evangelist Billy Graham -- father of key presidential supporter Franklin Graham -- published an op-ed on Thursday calling for President Donald Trump to be removed from office and urging evangelicals not to support him.

"Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment," Christianity Today's editor in chief, Mark Galli, wrote in the op-ed. "That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments."

Galli continued, "We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president's moral deficiencies for all to see."

"None of the president's positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character," he added.

The publication, an influential one among evangelicals, has criticized Trump before on immigration and other issues, but never before called for his removal. The op-ed shows potential reasoning for dissent among a key faction of the Republican coalition as Trump prepares for a potential Senate trial following his impeachment by the House of Representatives Wednesday night.

"To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve," Galli wrote. "Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump's immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency."

The magazine's web servers were strained by all the web traffic when the editorial came out on Thursday afternoon. After some temporary hiccups, service was mostly restored.

Jim Wallis, one of the nation's most prominent liberal evangelical leaders, called the op-ed's stance a "huge, watershed event," adding that the magazine is arguably the leading evangelical magazine in the nation.

"What CT is saying in their editorial is removing Donald Trump from office is now a matter of faith, not politics, and I agree," Wallis told CNN.

Wallis, founder of Sojourners magazine, says evangelicals made a "Faustian" bargain with Trump -- appoint the federal judges we want and we will look the other way.

"They have made the Faustian bargain that no matter what he does, it's all acceptable because he gives them the judges he wants," says Wallis, author of "Christ in Crisis: Why We Need to Reclaim Jesus."

As far as the impact of the announcement, Wallis says it may impact two groups of evangelicals the most: suburban white women and younger evangelicals who are already jaded by older evangelicals' embrace of Trump.

"I bet there are going to be a lot of younger evangelicals who are going to be really excited," Wallis said about the editorial.

He says there are now cracks in the wall of evangelical support for Trump. The call for removal may not sway the majority of evangelicals but just enough to make a difference in the 2020 election.

"You don't need a whole lot to shift the race, just a few votes in key places in key states could make the ultimate difference" Wallis said.

Key points omitted in the version of the story you selected:

1) Mark Galli, author of the op-ed, is leaving the publication. His views are NOT theirs.

2) Franklin Graham tweeted "My father knew @realDonaldTrump, believed in him & voted for him. He believed Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation,"

https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/evangelical-publication-calls-for-trump-s-removal-from-office/article_69ab84e0-233f-11ea-8029-53dab061365a.html

[DJC]

1 hour ago, RowdyRebel said:

Key points omitted in the version of the story you selected:

1) Mark Galli, author of the op-ed, is leaving the publication. His views are NOT theirs.

2) Franklin Graham tweeted "My father knew @realDonaldTrump, believed in him & voted for him. He believed Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation,"

https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/evangelical-publication-calls-for-trump-s-removal-from-office/article_69ab84e0-233f-11ea-8029-53dab061365a.html

1) Mark Galli, author of the op-ed, is leaving the publication. His views are NOT theirs.

Read the article again

2) Franklin Graham tweeted "My father knew @realDonaldTrump, believed in him & voted for him. He believed Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation,"

Billy Graham in my opinion was dead wrong about Trump....mistakes happen

All I can do is shake my head and say: why can't people see Trump for what he is...the biggest phony to ever hold the office of prsident!

BTW, no one has answered my previous question: who's paying for the wall?

Edited December 21, 2019 by DJC

[GreenGiant2]

DJC. I am sorry you feel this way. Everyone has there beliefs and opinions.  Mine is that more good has been done since trump took office than in 25 yrs.

[tjc transport]

and my opinion is even if trump is a fat head egotist, he is still the better choice than anything the demoncrats have offered in the past 12 years. 

and so far is the best choice for 2020. 

[mackey58]

Sheep

[TS7]

The biggest phony who ever held the office of president was Obama, followed by Bill Clinton. Thank god Kerry and Gore never made it. The American taxpayers are paying for the wall and I am one of them. At least Trump is not sending pallets of cash at night to some POS like Iran. As for sheep Mackey, if your Hillary was president, you would be lucky to get a job with Swift. This country would be in deep shit under her. Anybody on this site who cannot see the good that Trump has done the last 3 years must blind. 

[1965]

If them democrats would still be in office, probably wouldn’t be driving a 80’s & 90’s model trucks messing up the atmosphere making a living by now.

[tjc transport]

27 minutes ago, 1965 said:

If them democrats would still be in office, probably wouldn’t be driving a 80’s & 90’s model trucks messing up the atmosphere making a living by now.

nope, everyone would be on welfare 

[mackey58]

Ok

[david wild]

I don't care if Trump was out taken a  turd in the White watermelon patch (formally the Rose Garden) he is the best we have have had in long time, I don't care if he withholds anything and everything until he gets what he wants, that's how you get crap done, unless your a Democrat you give it all and get nothing in return. (Obama legacy, give till it hurts and then give a little more)

[Mack Technician]

 An Evangelical who’s critical of the Trump/Pence presidency is short-sighted and likely using their Bible for a pious end table prop instead of a study guide. 

.....Ruth saved the Jews via marrying King Xerxes. Her uncle Mordecai also saved the King from assassination.

.....Abraham saved Lot off the heels of Sodom and Gomorrahs “5 King” military defeat.

......Joseph saved his tribe from a national famine via his relationship to pharaoh and started the Hebrew nation in Egypt thereafter. 

.......Nehemiah rebuilt the wall of Jerusalem through his political relationship to King Artaxerxes, who also financed it.

......The Christian gospel spread via the Roman dictatorships International infrastructure.

.....Daniel ruled in high authority under King Nebuchadnezzar and Darius, God uses him to change the direction of two world powers. 

.....Christ’s crucifixion for salvation required corrupt Roman leadership and kangaroo trial. 

There’s many more, but it’s overdone. 

The Trump and Pence combo perfectly fit that archetype. It’s exciting to watch them tag team some substance back into this country after the Obama/Biden famine. Trump’s a flapjaw genius-crackpot who’s perfect for this country because He chose a faithful, God fearing, VP for his most trusted right hand man. 

P.S.- I calc Trump added $40-$50K to my personal wealth in 3 years, I’d gladly pay him $154.29 for my share of MY wall. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Mack Technician

[B MACK]

On ‎12‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 1:32 PM, HeavyGunner said:

People are so divided based on stupid political lines they can’t even support someone doing the right thing for our country.

1) unemployment down-check

2) makes trade deals fair for the USA, not just for everyone else-check

3) points out hypocrisy on both sides of the isle-check

4) bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA-check

5) is he trying to pull out of the Middle East like everyone has wanted for 10 years (except the left does t want that now since it’s a republican doing it)-check

6)is he a billionaire who has used every tax loop hole to his benefit? The same loop holes all of the poor, destitute lefties that admonish him have used (Hillary, Bernie, Pelosi, etc)?  Who says things he shouldn’t? Check

Add another 7)  he said the hell with U S being the world police, and told NATO we're not paying as much as we have had in the past and that others need to antiy up, and pay their share.                                                     And  watching the hearings in Adams'  Intel hearings S_ _ _ Show ,      it was all 2nd ,3rd , or 4th hand information.   And the one " witness" said that he had told people that he believed that the Biden thing was a conflict of interest . And that was when he was there during Barrack O's   term..           I guess it's ok to be V P and have your son get 80+ thousand a day .  But it's wrong for our President to want to investigate what went on there.  That's a high crime and mistimener,  ..  They say that that would be for personal gain.    What would President Thrump gain.... money.   He is not taking a wage !

[david wild]

We the taxpayer are paying for the wall like we should, the wall is to keep out people who do not belong here, Trump has no problem with legal immigration nor does anyone else but why should the taxpayer support people who did not come the legal and proper way,  just like they did on Ellis Island,  people did not sneak in they were processed in with papers something you liberals forget or just prefer to rewrite history to your liking. If liberals think there way is best then why don't they double their tax payment and put their money where their mouth is ??

[david wild]

Do liberals lock their doors at night ???? why ??? shouldn't they wish to invite anyone that wishes to enter their home ???????? same old liberal shit, NIMPY  Not In My Back Yard,  Liberal used to come up to NH and hike all over our farm leave their trash and then go back to their postage size yard, OK for them to crap all over our land but step one foot on theirs and they call the cops ????  once again, Liberals have a mental defect. 

[B MACK]

And another thing is ,  if the illegals are arrested or detained then the liberals and other groups protest that these peoples civil rights have been violated .   The way I see it,    If you are NOT here legally, , ,   You have no rights , in this country!

[Swishy]

[david wild]

News media suck

[tjc transport]

1 hour ago, david wild said:

News media suck

yea, but so do politicians, lawyers, and bankers. 

[david wild]

Still waiting to know if liberals lock their doors, would be a hypocrite if they do.  

[david wild]

you lock your doors but not the border ????  see you cannot even debate your stupidity.

[mowerman]

23 hours ago, B MACK said:

And another thing is ,  if the illegals are arrested or detained then the liberals and other groups protest that these peoples civil rights have been violated .   The way I see it,    If you are NOT here legally, , ,   You have no rights , in this country!

i wasnt going to make too many comments on this political.view anymore...but i have to comment.this one....they call them illegal immigrants for a reason,,,,and they are all supposed to be in jail....if the system is not going to follow the rules,,,,then we should all be able to break all the rules.....especially all of us legal people and be able to skate....im sure if i was arrested my children would not be taken into concideration at all they would simply tell me,,,you should have thought of them,,,before you broke the law,,,punk.....bob

[david wild]

You lock your doors to keep the bad people out, you close the border for the same reason, if vetted and you are found to be a good person we can let you in, no immigrant has a RIGHT to come to the US, Rights are for people born here and those who are given it by the Government after entering legally.

[kscarbel2]

4 hours ago, david wild said:

You lock your doors to keep the bad people out, you close the border for the same reason.

if vetted and you are found to be a good person we can let you in,

no immigrant has a RIGHT to come to the US,

Rights are for people born here and those who are given it by the Government after entering legally.

Exactly.

(but not for the children of illegal immigrants born here, as they are inherently illegally here as well)

[Mack Technician]

I've told the tale, but its worth mentioning some of the worse case scenarios that play out.

My fuel salesman had an illegal get stone drunk and destroy his car then drive down his lawn, across the street and crashed into the side of his neighbors house. Unfortunately salesman has a long driveway that Jose mistook for a street. BAM, full speed into his parked car and totaled it. He turned and drove across his lawn onto the neighbors and rammed into the other guys house. Jose then jumped out and ran, abandoning the borrowed vehicle. Guy was undocumented and got nothing for the incident except a ticket to Mexico. No compensation paid, no assets, no residency, no social security number, no drivers license, no liability. It's a recipe for disaster having them around......most have nothing to lose.  

Enter Democrat Tony Evers to replace Republican Scott Walker...…..

First great legislative success is getting the word "Retarded" removed from the State Statues. 🤔??????

Second great success was taking down all the signs coming into our state that said "Welcome to Wisconsin, we're open for business", and using them as construction blanks to spite the Republicans.

Third great success was trying (I think still working on it) to get drivers licenses for illegal Aliens!!

Can't make this stuff up!    

Edited December 23, 2019 by Mack Technician

[david wild]

So for the left that never seems to get their story straight, Ellis Island was better known for it's deportations than it's immigrants that passed thru, seems our left leaning friends (not mine) forget that Ellis Island sent back to their home country 120,000 people which in the early 1900s was alot and that 3500 people died while detained at Ellis Island, 2% of the people trying to get into the US when their was no real immigration policy were returned ???  So when the left says that we have always let people in they are dead wrong, 3500 dead people wrong. If lefty's were to ever stand back and listen to them selves their heads would explode from insanity that they spew, that is the problem they never think they just regurgitate what they were told by their mindless leaders and follow along like hapless sheep.