Popular Post mrsmackpaul Posted January 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2020 I reckon it looks ok, I reckon I would buy one if they ever make it out to Australia I know there's a lot of naysayers out in the world But if you want any chance of Mack surviving and maybe one day get back to building non Volvo powered trucks they need to still be around This takes all of us to support them, it takes a lot more capital to set something up again once its finished up just saying that's all Now whats happened to the new Autocar conventional coming to Australia??? Paul 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 Now (a day after the launch), the info-less MD Series video has been put on the Mack brand YouTube site. . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadwayR Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Looks nice. I would offer the PSI 8.8L gasoline/LPG engine as an option, along with the ISL-G if it would fit. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxidyne Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Looks to be the best possible home for a B series Cummins and an Allison, if the price is competitive it'll sell well. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullheaded Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I agree RoadwayR....they need a gasoline option. All the school bus companies and ambulances around here have gone back to gasoline engines over the last year. The new diesels are too costly and unreliable. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
66dc75 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 If they price them like a Freightliner they will sell a ton of them. I think it would look great with one of my sign cranes on one. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TS7 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I think that a lot these trucks will go to the Mack Leasing fleet. Mack Leasing has Hino trucks around here now. An MD7 with a air ride cab and maybe a tag axle will make a great distribution truck. Class 7 distribution trucks is a big market. I would think that a tractor model will be coming, I did not see that noted. The class 7 - baby 8 single axle tractor market is big and Mack has had nothing for years. This truck has a proven engine, drivetrain, cab and is made in the USA. There is a lot of things that can be added to this lineup. Will see where they go with this truck. The best thing I think is that it does not have a Volvo engine in it. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 To me, Kenworth's Cummins ISB-powered T270/370 is the Class 6/7 with the highest level of refinement. Plus there's the Class 5 T170. And the same goes for Peterbilt's Class 6 Model 330 and Class 7 Model 337. And Peterbilt also offers the Class 5 Model 325. Freightliner's M2, available with the Cummins ISB, is not a low quality truck. The high-roof crew cab is selling well. But with up to 50 percent market share, Daimler has the economy of scale/sales volume to sell them at the most competitive prices in the industry and meaningfully profit. International's Cummins ISB-powered MV (formerly Durastar/4300), though aging, remains popular via pricing and competitive in specs. And then you have Ford. Nobody can touch Ford's price on the Class 6 F-650. But with the Power Stroke / 6R140 6-speed tranny combination, it doesn't appeal to everyone including many fleets and municipalities. It does however have the gasoline 7.3-litre engine and crew cab availability going for it. It seems the Class 7 F-750 can't gain a following without the Cummins ISB/Allison option that many Class 7 operators like. https://www.kenworth.com/trucks/t170-t270-t370/ https://www.peterbilt.com/trucks/medium-duty https://freightliner.com/trucks/m2-106/ https://www.internationaltrucks.com/trucks/mv-series https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/f650-f750/ 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Why did Volvo lead with the Mack as a medium duty entry. Why not Volvo? I think they are testing the waters with Mack in case it flops. Don't see why it should though. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxidyne Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Could be that the cab is cheaper to buy as the tooling was long ago paid for. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullheaded Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 3 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: To me, Kenworth's Cummins ISB-powered T270/370 is the Class 6/7 with the highest level of refinement. Plus there's the Class 5 T170. And the same goes for Peterbilt's Class 6 Model 330 and Class 7 Model 337. And Peterbilt also offers the Class 5 Model 325. Freightliner's M2, available with the Cummins ISB, is not a low quality truck. But with up to 50 percent market share, Daimler has the economy of scale/sales volume to sell them at the most competitive prices in the industry and meaningfully profit. International's Cummins ISB-powered MV (formerly Durastar/4300), though aging, remains popular via pricing and competitive in specs. And then you have Ford. Nobody can touch Ford's price on the Class 6 F-650. But with the Power Stroke / 6R140 6-speed tranny combination, it doesn't appeal to everyone including many fleets and municipalities. It does however have the gasoline 7.3-litre engine going for it. It seems the Class 7 F-750 can't gain a following without the Cummins ISB/Allison option that many Class 7 operators like. Will be interesting to see how they make out, but it will be a hard road. Here are a few things I have noted because I have shopped medium duty trucks hard. I've had reps from Mack and other manufacturers tell me at trade shows that Hino's are dead reliable and they don't know how they make any money because they never break. That's something to hear from competitors. I like the KW T series. They are the most big rig like, and have very good fit and finish and build quality with good components. But small cab and no crew cab option from factory. Freightliner is ok, pricing very competitive, all cab options such as extended with seat or bunk and crew cab. But they can be electronics nightmares. Lots of modules I have had fail. The International Durastar is one that can be a plain, uncomfotable, underpowered fleet truck, or they can be optioned up not too bad. But where Chev/International CV and Ford rule, and why they are hard to beat....they are the most luxurious as they use high end pickup truck style cabs and interiors. They also offer extended or crew cabs. They also offer factory four wheel drive in a from that is not overly high or big size-wise. And they offer more power and torque ratings. And gasoline engines. And huge dealer networks. Hard to beat that. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 Hino's are the best that Japan Inc. has to offer, as wealthy parent Toyota has the most money to spend on R&D. Isuzu makes a solid truck, as we all know, and represents the best value play from Japan. The T270/370 cab as you said has the best fit and finish (build quality). The cab is smaller, but not too small and cramped in my opinion. The Mack brand is way too late to the party. I can only see this being successful if they had brought a game-changing new design. And being the last one to the party gave them the opportunity to trump the known competition with a better mouse trap. However, I'm just not seeing that here. This is a "me too" product that brings nothing new to the table. So in an overcrowded truck segment with razor thin margins, what was the point of this exercise? It's not like Mack brand dealers were demanding it, much less asking for it. They weren't. They all long ago took on other franchises to meet the Class 6/7 demand due to a lack of product from Volvo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullheaded Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I have never been around an Isuzu, but a friend in New Zealand runs one and has sent me pics. He too said they are a very reliable truck and the biggest seller over there. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TS7 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Mack salesman (M&K) I deal with says they have MD's on order, he knew this was coming and they are behind it. All the trucks named above have some kind of issues, that is for sure. But I think that the class 7- baby 8 market has only two real players now. Paccar is there at the high priced end. Volvo (Mack) has nothing. I am sure if Volvo just wanted to offer a class 7 truck they could have run a few down the line in Allentown. I was thinking they were going to bring some Volvo truck from Europe, make a few changes and try to sell it here. I think they see a big hole in there lineup and are working to fill it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Not sure they are offering hydraulic Brakes or not how ever if not this will make there market way smaller in my region ! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted February 2, 2020 Author Share Posted February 2, 2020 In my mind, there's quite a variety of Class 6 and 7 truck types here, from the refined Kenworth and Peterbilt to the low price F-650. And we haven't mentioned cabovers.....the 5.2-litre 4-cylinder Isuzu FTR/Chevrolet 6500XD is a strong choice, with it's fuel economy, visibility, maneuverability and ease of maintenance. I regret they don't offer the 4-door crew cab in the US market. And then we have the conventional cab (bonneted) Hino AL Series in Class 6 and 7 (the new XL is also available in Class 7 but is substantially more expensive). https://www.chevrolet.com/commercial/low-cab-forward-cab-over-truck https://www.isuzucv.com/en/fseries/index https://www.hino.com/hino-trucks.html Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullheaded Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 You can't really talk prices though. That seems to be so regional. Like how you say Ford is cheap. Not here. I can get a Pete or KW cheaper. Ford is about the most expensive of all medium duties I have looked at. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 12:11 PM, kscarbel2 said: Hino's are the best that Japan Inc. has to offer, as wealthy parent Toyota has the most money to spend on R&D. Isuzu makes a solid truck, as we all know, and represents the best value play from Japan. The T270/370 cab as you said has the best fit and finish (build quality). The cab is smaller, but not too small and cramped in my opinion. The Mack brand is way too late to the party. I can only see this being successful if they had brought a game-changing new design. And being the last one to the party gave them the opportunity to trump the known competition with a better mouse trap. However, I'm just not seeing that here. This is a "me too" product that brings nothing new to the table. So in an overcrowded truck segment with razor thin margins, what was the point of this exercise? It's not like Mack brand dealers were demanding it, much less asking for it. They weren't. They all long ago took on other franchises to meet the Class 6/7 demand due to a lack of product from Volvo. Does PACCAR sell many of the badge engineered DAF's in North America..?? Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 12 hours ago, Hayseed said: Does PACCAR sell many of the badge engineered DAF's in North America..?? Yes. And the cab interior is as nice as a Scania. https://www.kenworth.com/trucks/k270-k370/ https://www.peterbilt.com/trucks/medium-duty/model-220 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: Yes. And the cab interior is as nice as a Scania. https://www.kenworth.com/trucks/k270-k370/ https://www.peterbilt.com/trucks/medium-duty/model-220 Looks very similar to the LF series DAF's we get down here.(Not that they sell Many) https://www.daf.com.au/trucks/lf-series/ Edited February 3, 2020 by Hayseed typo Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 37 minutes ago, Hayseed said: Looks very similar to the LF series DAF's we get down here.(Not that they sell 没any) https://www.daf.com.au/trucks/lf-series/ It is based on the highly successful DAF "LF". https://www.daf.co.uk/en-gb/trucks/daf-lf We can all note the common theme.......6.7-litre Cummins ISB. Ford and GM/Navistar chose in-house engines to reduce cost, but at what expense to sales??? Give the customer what they want! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullheaded Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Unlessd you get the International MV (Formerly Durastar)...they have the 6.7 Cummins. The CV and Chev 5500/6500 get the Isuzu built Duramax. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-441976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I wonder why they did not use the + 4 cab or did they. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-442013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadwayR Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Speaking of the Cummins ISB 6.7, I would not be surprised if Freightliner starts really pushing their mid-range DD's and eventually drops Cummins from their medium duty line (again). 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/60759-volvo-announces-medium-duty-mack-truck-line/page/2/#findComment-442038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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