CoronaFarce-rus

[Mack Technician]

You realize how many Americans (just Americans) died in the 2018-2019 flu season? Per the CDC 35.5 Million contracted it, 34,200 of us died. 

638 died (globally) from the Coronavirus so far this year. What’s going on here folks? Is it a global fake news competition??? They don’t want us to get the safer flu so the Chinese are trying to keep it for themselves?

 

[kscarbel2]

You’re right. But the powers that be don’t want it to publicize it.

i suspect though that the Coronavirus is more contagious.

 

[HeavyGunner]

1 hour ago, Mack Technician said:

You realize how many Americans (just Americans) died in the 2018-2019 flu season? Per the CDC 35.5 Million contracted it, 34,200 of us died. 

638 died (globally) from the Coronavirus so far this year. What’s going on here folks? Is it a global fake news competition??? They don’t want us to get the safer flu so the Chinese are trying to keep it for themselves?

 

Do you really buy that news piece that showed 30 (just a guess) excavators digging in the same place to build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days?  The supplies likely couldn’t be delivered that fast or better yet the concrete couldn’t be poured and cured that fast. Seems like it’s more likely a mass grave to me. 

[HeavyGunner]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/world/asia/coronavirus-wuhan-hospital.amp.html

[Quickfarms]

Do you really buy that news piece that showed 30 (just a guess) excavators digging in the same place to build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days?  The supplies likely couldn’t be delivered that fast or better yet the concrete couldn’t be poured and cured that fast. Seems like it’s more likely a mass grave to me. 

How about a military field hospital

Remember the TV show mash, just a modern version

[Quickfarms]

How about a military field hospital

Remember the TV show mash, just a modern version

I was at a medical briefing on Tuesday and the flu is more dangerous. The recommendations were to stay away from sick people, don’t shake hands, don’t touch your face and wash your hands regularly

[Dirtymilkman]

The scary part is the actual death rate with the coronavirus. it's around 200 per one hundred thousand infections, the flu is something like .13 deaths per hundred thousand. 

[Mack Technician]

I tried to reason that through, but it’s difficult to interpret. In some places the death rate (per contracted disease) is high and some places Corona death rates are low. I assume in certain parts of China where it’s high they have poor sanitation/ dense population/little access to medical care/ greater elderly population/ etc. 

Edited February 7, 2020 by Mack Technician

[kscarbel2]

6 hours ago, HeavyGunner said:

Do you really buy that news piece that showed 30 (just a guess) excavators digging in the same place to build a 1000 bed hospital in 5 days?  The supplies likely couldn’t be delivered that fast or better yet the concrete couldn’t be poured and cured that fast. Seems like it’s more likely a mass grave to me. 

Yes.

[j hancock]

I don't believe much (if any) of the information or news from China. 

Also use a huge filter on the news that is disseminated here by the mass media.

[HeavyGunner]

19 hours ago, Quickfarms said:

How about a military field hospital

Remember the TV show mash, just a modern version

So why would you need 30 or so excavators digging one giant hole for a field hospital which could easily be set up on any level terrain?  It doesn’t make sense and I have a feeling we aren’t getting the full story. China has shown over the years greed trumps all and for them to shut down so many major cities shows me that they are frightened of something more than your average bug. On top of that I still can’t fathom why we are letting anyone travel from China to here right now helping to spread this crap faster than it already is. 

[Red Horse]

11 hours ago, HeavyGunner said:

So why would you need 30 or so excavators digging one giant hole for a field hospital which could easily be set up on any level terrain?  It doesn’t make sense and I have a feeling we aren’t getting the full story. China has shown over the years greed trumps all and for them to shut down so many major cities shows me that they are frightened of something more than your average bug. On top of that I still can’t fathom why we are letting anyone travel from China to here right now helping to spread this crap faster than it already is. 

For sure-looked like a flat site to begin with.  When I first saw the pictures my reaction was WTF?  Is this a Ritchie Bros. Auction?  Two LiuGong D10 impersonators could have leveled it.  And 7 days curing time, 30 days full  strength?   They must have miracle concrete!

[CaptainCrutch]

Lysol kills the Coronavirus... so it's not even all that contagious, makes you wonder what's happening or what's about to happen in Hong Kong... seems like a perfect distraction from they "dealing with" some citizens that are protesting lack of freedoms... so while the media is focused on having all their cameras focused on a big virus outbreak, there's nothing to cause another Tank Man incident to show up in the major news...

But maybe that's just the crazy part of my brain talking...

[mrsmackpaul]

5 hours ago, HeavyGunner said:

I still can’t fathom why we are letting anyone travel from China to here right now helping to spread this crap faster than it already is. 

Well if your not a Australian citizen you can't come to Australia from China at the moment 

Paul 

[HeavyGunner]

4 hours ago, mrsmackpaul said:

Well if your not a Australian citizen you can't come to Australia from China at the moment 

Paul 

I wish the US would quit letting anyone from China come to the US until we get things figured out. Scary enough that military, ambassadors and such are being brought to the US from China and being quarantined.

[kscarbel2]

The United States Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

There were 490,600 hospitalizations and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 season.

More than 46,000 hospitalizations occurred in children (aged <18 years); however, 57% of hospitalizations occurred in older adults aged ≥65 years.

Older adults also accounted for 75% of influenza-associated deaths, highlighting that older adults are particularly vulnerable to severe outcomes resulting from an influenza virus infection.

An estimated 8,100 deaths occurred among working age adults (aged 18–64 years), an age group that often has low influenza vaccination uptake.

[Mack Technician]

2 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

The United States Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC) estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

There were 490,600 hospitalizations and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 season.

More than 46,000 hospitalizations occurred in children (aged <18 years); however, 57% of hospitalizations occurred in older adults aged ≥65 years.

Older adults also accounted for 75% of influenza-associated deaths, highlighting that older adults are particularly vulnerable to severe outcomes resulting from an influenza virus infection.

An estimated 8,100 deaths occurred among working age adults (aged 18–64 years), an age group that often has low influenza vaccination uptake.

Well.......Time to make a plan then. When I retire I’m going to live Dec-April on a remote lake in my ice shack. Feed on fish, ramen noodles, fiber supplements, Centrum Silver and Moxie (if it ever becomes available here). Re-emerge into society when the ice gets thin and see how many of my friends made it. 

[kscarbel2]

US offers $100 mln to China, others to fight coronavirus

AFP  /  February 7, 2020

Washington - The United States on Friday offered up to $100 million to China and other impacted countries to combat the fast-spreading coronavirus.

"This commitment -- along with the hundreds of millions generously donated by the American private sector -- demonstrates strong US leadership in response to the outbreak," Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said.

"We encourage the rest of the world to match our commitment. Working together, we can have a profound impact to contain this growing threat," he said.

Pompeo said the United States would provide the assistance either directly or through multilateral organizations.

He said the spending would come out of unspecified funds [???] that have already been allocated within the US government.

[kscarbel2]

Umm..........what ?????

China as of January 2020 has US$3.115 trillion* in foreign exchange reserves. Why would we give another country free money........that has more money than our deficit-ridden country has?????

The way tax-payer money is senselessly handed out overseas by the pallet load should be a crime.

*  https://www.reuters.com/article/china-economy-forex-reserves/chinas-jan-forex-reserves-rise-to-3-115-trillion-idUSAZN02BXSZ

[Joseph Moody Jr]

 

Coronaviruses are a group of viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans, the viruses cause respiratory infections – including the common cold – which are typically mild. Rarer forms such as SARS, MERS and the novel coronavirus causing the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak can be lethal. In cows and pigs coronaviruses cause diarrhea. In chickens they cause an upper respiratory disease. No vaccines or antiviral drugs are approved for prevention or treatment.

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[kscarbel2]

Is the Coronavirus a Bioweapon?

Steven W. Mosher, The Epoch Times  /  February 7, 2020

No less a figure than Dr. Francis Boyle, an expert on biowarfare, believes that “the coronavirus that we’re dealing with here is an offensive biological warfare weapon.” Speaking of Wuhan’s Institute of Virology, which is at the epicenter of the epidemic, he added that there have “been previous reports of problems with that lab and things leaking out of it.”

For Dr. Boyle to be correct, the Chinese regime would have to have both the “intention” and the “capability” to develop such a bioweapon, but does it?

It is no secret that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), despite being a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention, regards the development of bioweapons as a key part of achieving military dominance. The vice-president of China’s Academy of Military Medical Sciences, He Fuchu, said in 2015 that biomaterials were the new “strategic commanding heights” of warfare. People’s Liberation Army (PLA) general Zhang Shibo went even further in his 2017 book, “War’s New High Land,” claiming that “modern biotechnology development is gradually showing strong signs characteristic of an offensive capability,” including the potential for “specific ethnic genetic attacks.”

To be perfectly clear, what General Zhang is talking about are bioweapons that kill other races, but for which people who look like him have a natural or acquired immunity. Those who might counter that one wild-eyed general, who does not necessarily speak for the communist leadership, should bear in mind that Zhang was a full member of the 18th Central Committee (2012-17) and the former president of the National Defense University.

So as far as intentions are concerned, I think the evidence is indisputable that the CCP would develop offensive biological warfare weapons if they could. But can they? What do we know about China’s capabilities?

We know that China has mastered CRISPR technology, which enables the kind of gene splicing that is needed to create a biological superweapon. After all, it was a Chinese scientist, He Jiankui, who announced that he had reengineered the human genome to make it resistant to HIV, a feat for which he recently received a three-year prison sentence.

If you are intent upon genetically engineering offensive biological warfare weapons, you also need a very secure facility to ensure that they do not escape from containment. After all, you are taking dangerous pathogens like SARS, Ebola, and various strains of coronavirus and trying to make them even more deadly. China only has one such Level 4 microbiology lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and it is located in—you guessed it—the city of Wuhan.

Finally, in addition to the technology and the facilities, you need raw biomaterial. This means laying your hands on the most deadly viruses to be found in nature, into which you can engineer characteristics that make it even more deadly. Some ways of doing this include enhancing human-to-human transmission of a virus originally harvested from another species, or increasing the latency period before someone is infected begins to show symptoms.

Here we have incontrovertible evidence that the Wuhan lab has acquired some of the most deadly coronaviruses on the planet. It’s worth noting that just last year, two Chinese nationals, husband and wife team Dr. Keding Cheng and Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, were removed from the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police as part of an intellectual property theft investigation. The lab is Canada’s only Level 4 microbiology lab, which is to say, it’s the same type of lab the Chinese operate in Wuhan. Dr. Qiu is known for working on the Ebola virus, while her husband has published studies of SARS. The RCMP investigation noted that both made frequent trips back to the Wuhan lab.

The bottom line is that China has everything it needs to create a deadly bioweapon: the technology, the facility, and the raw biomaterial.

Much ink has been spilled by the Washington Post and other mainstream media outlets to try and convince us that the deadly coronavirus is a product of nature rather than nefariousness, and that anyone who says otherwise is an unhinged conspiracy theorist. When a group of Indian virologists published a paper suggesting that the novel coronavirus contains insertions that resemble HIV gene sequences, they were widely attacked and the paper was withdrawn for revision. The paper’s critics claimed that the supposed HIV insertions did not enable the novel coronavirus to cripple human immune system, as HIV itself does, by attacking white blood cells, or lymphocytes, that fight infections.

In fact, there is evidence that the novel coronavirus can indeed cause “progressive lymphocyte reduction.” But even if there weren’t, this would not prove anything. The fact that a bioweapon under development does not work as well as intended is not proof that it is not a bioweapon, merely that it is not yet ready to deploy. And, bioweapon-in-the-making or not, there seems little doubt that the coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Propinquity suggests causation. After all, if the first coronavirus infection were a simple result of accidental animal-to-human transmission as claimed, this could have occurred anywhere in China. How curious that the epicenter of the epidemic just happens to be in a city of 11 million people where China’s only Level 4 lab is located. Chance? I think not.

Add to this the fact that China has a history of similar lab accidents. In 2004, for example, the SARS virus leaked from a Beijing lab twice (!) and caused an outbreak of the disease. The Wuhan facility may have been state of the art, but Chinese safety standards in general are notably lax. And if Chinese scientists were under rush orders to research and develop bioweapons, corners would almost surely be cut.

Another reason to think that what the world is dealing with something more than mere incompetence is the reaction of the CCP officials. Beijing has gone to truly extraordinary lengths to cover up the widening outbreak. Coronavirus test kits are rationed so that most of the cases go undiagnosed. Most of the deaths are attributed to other causes, such as pneumonia, funerals are banned, and the corpses are simply rushed to the crematoria without any paperwork. The ovens in the Wuhan crematoria are going day and night to destroy the evidence of the true scale of the outbreak.

The authorities even arrested eight doctors early on in the outbreak whose “crime” was that they reported the large number of cases of a new viral infection that they were seeing in their hospitals. They were accused of “making false statements” and “spreading rumors,” and released only after they signed confessions. They are now being viewed by the public at large as heroes, especially since one of the original whistleblowers, Dr. Li Wenliang, has now died from the disease.

As far as the source of the epidemic is concerned, the authorities were equally duplicitous. They first pointed to the snakes and bats supposedly being sold at the Wuhan Seafood Market, and shut the market down. But it soon came out that snakes do not carry any coronaviruses and that bats—which do—were not sold at a seafood market.

There is one final piece of evidence that for me, as a China hand, supports the theory that the coronavirus is an escaped Chinese bioweapon. There is a rumor going around on the Chinese internet that the United States has deliberately unleashed an American bioweapon on the Chinese population. Tellingly, such absurd claims are not being censored by the authorities, while accurate reporting on the outbreak is. It is very much in character for the Communist Party leaders to blame their chief geopolitical rival for crimes that they themselves commit.

With its lies and evasions, is the Party simply trying to cover up its incompetence in controlling the outbreak? Or are its leaders also trying to hide something much more serious: their criminal complicity in the outbreak’s origins? Even taking into account the Party’s penchant for secrecy, the multiple levels of deception engaged by Communist officials over the past couple of months, including those at the highest levels, have been extraordinary.

We may never know for certain whether the novel coronavirus was intended to be used as a bioweapon. But we do know that the major Western print, broadcast, and social media are all doing their best to dismiss the very possibility as a paranoid fantasy.

But—as the old joke goes—it’s not paranoia if they are really out to get you. And on this point the evidence is clear. We know, because PLA generals have told us so, that their researchers are racing to develop lethal bioweapons as fast as their theft of Western technology and stolen virus samples will allow. And it is a most reasonable supposition to assume that, because of this push to develop a deadly bioweapon, safety standards were neglected at the Institute of Virology in Wuhan and the deadly coronavirus managed to escape from the lab.

At the end of the day, whether the novel coronavirus had already been tinkered with before it reached the streets of Wuhan is (almost) of secondary importance. For the CCP are clearly engaged in an effort to develop such a weapon as part and parcel of their strategy for the Chinese regime to replace the United States as the dominant power on the planet.

To put it another way, does anyone think that the CCP—once they had perfected a bioweapon to which they themselves had a natural or induced immunity—would hesitate to unleash a deadly pandemic on the West to achieve their “China Dream” of world domination? Those who doubt that the leaders of the Communist Party would use such an “assassin’s mace” need to tell us precisely what moral or ethical considerations would stay their hand. Because I can think of none.

I suspect that the only real surprise for the Chinese leadership in the novel coronavirus is that China itself has become ground zero for the outbreak that they had hoped to one day unleash on other countries.

There is an ancient Chinese saying that seems appropriate here.

“Picking up a rock [to throw at others], but dropping it on one’s own foot.”

[Mack Technician]

Mr.K.S., thank you for haunting my dreams tonight. You note what happened to the first Chinese doc who rang the warning on the Corona via medical interactive media? Arrested, then oops, dead. 

Had a run in with Lyme disease and spent a lot of time reading about it. Last July the US House of Reps ordered an investigation into the D.O.Defense to identify where and when between 1950 and 1975 they weaponized and accidentally (or purposely) released Lyme via pre-charged biting insects. The game plan was to use them as a drop-in bioweapon. It’s a relatively new disease, discovered in 1975. 

[GreenGiant2]

How true mack technician. My wife had had lyme for almost 20 yrs. Alot of research done ( out of the box ) and very interesting to see the things our government has done and wants to overlook. 

[kscarbel2]

https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54089-they-knew-over-100-years-ago/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-405004

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1003703226697496080

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-military-tested-bacterial-weapons-in-san-francisco-2015-7?IR=T&r=SG

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1977/03/09/army-conducted-239-secret-open-air-germ-warfare-tests/b17e5ee7-3006-4152-acf3-0ad163e17a22/

[Mack Technician]

2 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/54089-they-knew-over-100-years-ago/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-405004

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1003703226697496080

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-military-tested-bacterial-weapons-in-san-francisco-2015-7?IR=T&r=SG

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1977/03/09/army-conducted-239-secret-open-air-germ-warfare-tests/b17e5ee7-3006-4152-acf3-0ad163e17a22/

The antidote is 2 Brandy Old Fashions and a Hallmark movie before bed. -0- haunted dreams. Not sustainable, but effective. Keep’em coming.

Edited February 9, 2020 by Mack Technician