Deere Mack Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Hello, I hope everyone is staying well. I've been wide open with essential dirt work. Went to change the oil today and found treasure! It looks to be part of a valve spring but I was hoping to get everyone's opinion and what not. It's at my mechanic's shop now and they're about to pull the valve covers to take a look. It's been running fine as far as I know so this is a surprise to me! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 If it isn't a valve spring I'll wager my guess. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) Hard to tell the size of it. could be a turbo washer from a previous failure hopefully a valve spring it can be replaced in frame! Edited April 27, 2020 by fjh Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere Mack Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) It wasn't anything from the top side. We had originally thought it might be a spring cap or part of the spring but everything looks good, plus he said it was to small for anything like that. He's going to drop the oil pan to take a look. It almost looks like the end of a hook. The bevel on the inside doesn't look to be full circle. Edited April 27, 2020 by Deere Mack Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) Eup cap? Doing retainer maybe don’t no how it could get out of the lifter thou? Edited April 27, 2020 by fjh Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) How big is it if measured end to end? 🧲 magnetic? Are the leading edges forged or sheared off, IOW- is it built circular via machining, or circular by catastrophic coincidence? Are you still running a stock, emissions legal, AI? Did you explode some turbos in this unit, Fred’s theory is solid, anything can happen when things start coming apart at 40K RPM. Like the late, great, Joe Diffie said....”when your spinning ‘round, things come undone”(welcome to Earth 🌍 third rock from the sun). Usually it’s a shaft shard going down the southbound turbo tube. Edited April 27, 2020 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere Mack Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mack Technician said: How big is it if measured end to end? 🧲 magnetic? Are the leading edges forged or sheared off, IOW- is it built circular via machining, or circular by catastrophic coincidence? Are you still running a stock, emissions legal, AI? Did you explode some turbos in this unit, Fred’s theory is solid, anything can happen when things start coming apart at 40K RPM. Like the late, great, Joe Diffie said....”when your spinning ‘round, things come undone”(welcome to Earth 🌍 third rock from the sun). Usually it’s a shaft shard going down the southbound turbo tube. No engine problems since I've had it, almost a year. I don't have the piece in front of me but if it was full circle it would be about the size of a nickle and it is magnetic, it was stuck to the drain plug. one edge seems to be sheered the other doesn't seem to be. From the pic it doesn't really seem round at all more like a hook. One side flat the other looks machined/cupped and the inside has a groove machined part of the way. Edited April 27, 2020 by Deere Mack Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere Mack Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, fjh said: Eup cap? Doing retainer maybe don’t no how it could get out of the lifter thou? Just about to small for that, if it was a circle it wouldn't be much bigger than a nickle. The valve lash and everything up top looked good. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) Crack pipe guess #1. The hardened machine coin that sits on top of the valve bridge which the rocker arm strikes. Did they check adjustment while it was open? Edited April 28, 2020 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) C. Pipe #2 - machined washer from nut holding oil pump gear onto oil pump shaft. #3. Non rotator (upper) valve retaining washer used on all 2003 and later. Edited April 28, 2020 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) #4. The rocker arms have spring washers preloading them from lateral travel. It’s one of the 6 c-clips mixed in with those sprung rocker shaft washers. #5. A broken section of the variable thickness washer/shims used to load and adjust mounting depth of the oil pump spring retaining cap for the relief valve. Edited April 28, 2020 by Mack Technician M Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere Mack Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: #4. The rocker arms have spring washers preloading them from lateral travel. It’s one of the 6 c-clips mixed in with those sprung rocker shaft washers. #5. A broken section of the variable thickness washer/shims used to load and adjust mounting depth of the oil pump spring retaining cap for the relief valve. #4 sounds interesting. I'd love to see a pic of those c clips because it doesn't look like a washer to me. Valve lash did seem fine. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Deere Mack said: #4 sounds interesting. I'd love to see a pic of those c clips because it doesn't look like a washer to me. Valve lash did seem fine. I’m outta luck on my account. I hit 100% on used space and it won’t reset. It’s stuck. I dumped a bunch of attachment pics and it gave back no newly available space to use. Stays right at 100 and took away my file attachment prompt. Edited April 28, 2020 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) #6 upper insert from the centrimax filter-to-spindle shaft. Edited April 28, 2020 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 7#. Upper striker on pushtube spring..... the top retainer ring Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Technician Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) Not sure if some of the idle/acc gears could drop a failed-split machined washer? If it wasn’t any of those I’d run it and (if it helps you sleep better) assume it’s compressor goods. Edited April 28, 2020 by Mack Technician Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere Mack Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: Not sure if some of the idle/acc gears could drop a failed-split machined washer? If it wasn’t any of those I’d run it and (if it helps you sleep better) assume it’s compressor goods. ha!, I've learned not to loose sleep with this beast. The centri max filter inserts are brass, I think. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere Mack Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 56 minutes ago, Mack Technician said: #4. The rocker arms have spring washers preloading them from lateral travel. It’s one of the 6 c-clips mixed in with those sprung rocker shaft washers. #5. A broken section of the variable thickness washer/shims used to load and adjust mounting depth of the oil pump spring retaining cap for the relief valve. No. 1 in the pic is the c-clip mentioned in item #4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Bro I think turbo washer now I know the size seen this before turbo gave out at som point . you have only had this truck for a year do you have history on the unit bet it had a turbo failure! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere Mack Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 OK, don't laugh at my photo shopping. But I believe its the other half of a c-clip. Does it look familiar anyone? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Give us a Side view! How thick? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere Mack Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, fjh said: Bro I think turbo washer now I know the size seen this before turbo gave out at som point . you have only had this truck for a year do you have history on the unit bet it had a turbo failure! If you zoom in on it, it doesn't look like it ever was a full circle. No history at all. The history I was given was mainly on suspension and dump cylinder stuff and it was all lies Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere Mack Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, fjh said: Give us a Side view! How thick? That's all the pics I have, its at the shop. I'll get a few more tomorrow if we don't figure it out. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62255-2005-cv713-ami-370-metal-object-in-oil-change/#findComment-449869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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