Popular Post Mike Harbison Posted May 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2020 On 5/14/2020 at 9:18 AM, Whiskymack said: Thats the impression I had got. I would have thought it would have involved too much redesign on a product that had effectively been superceded by the Super-Liner. Incidentally, if RW1 production went to Macungie in 85 it would must have been quite short lived as I thought that the RW2 emerged the following year. It's an interesting period because there seemed to be a bit of product consolidation going on with the demise of Hayward line. The RW2 was a complete redesign with much more of an Eastern pedigree whilst retaining the looks of the old model. Am I right in thinking the Value-Liner also went to Macungie but was discontinued in 87? The Superliner 1,Valueliner and Cruiseliner went to Macungie in 81 when Hayward closed. Cruiseliner ended in 83,Superliner 1 in 85,and Valueliner in 87 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Vladislav said: Was RW1 ever produced at Macungie??? The RWL/RWS was produced at Hayward. The MH chassis-based RWI was produced at Macungie. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 On 5/17/2020 at 1:10 AM, kscarbel2 said: The RWL/RWS was produced at Hayward. The MH chassis-based RWI was produced at Macungie. The MH chassis-based RWI - what it actually was?? A RW2 with earlier headlights? Also seems strange since Cruiseliner kept its original Western split chassis to the end of production (at Macungie) and RW1 had similar chassis. So what is the truth? Was RW1 with its original not MH-based chassis ever produced at Macungie or not? Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Vladislav said: The MH chassis-based RWI - what it actually was?? A RW2 with earlier headlights? Also seems strange since Cruiseliner kept its original Western split chassis to the end of production (at Macungie) and RW1 had similar chassis. So what is the truth? Was RW1 with its original not MH-based chassis ever produced at Macungie or not? The second generation Super-Liner, produced in Macungie, with the 4 rectangular headlights (H4651/H4656), built on the previously introduced MH Ultra-Liner chassis, was known internally as the RWI model. We didn't spend money to improve the Cruise-Liner chassis because the Ultra-Liner was in the development pipeline to replace it before the first Cruise-Liner rolled off the Macungie assembly line. While the Cruise-Liner's death was planned, we wanted to continue on with the Super-Liner product. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, kscarbel2 said: The second generation Super-Liner, produced in Macungie, with the 4 rectangular headlights (H4651/H4656), built on the previously introduced MH Ultra-Liner chassis, was known internally as the RWI model. Can't understand again. Was the 2nd gen RW with rectangular headlights known internally as RWI model (not RWII)? Should I take that RWI doesn't mean RWS? Ok, if so, when Superliner production was moved from Hayward to East Coast (in 81 as Mike said) did it already purchase a newly designed MH chassis? Or any trucks were assembled using Cruiseliner rails? Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harbison Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Vladislav said: The MH chassis-based RWI - what it actually was?? A RW2 with earlier headlights? Also seems strange since Cruiseliner kept its original Western split chassis to the end of production (at Macungie) and RW1 had similar chassis. So what is the truth? Was RW1 with its original not MH-based chassis ever produced at Macungie or not? Yes 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Vladislav said: Can't understand again. Was the 2nd gen RW with rectangular headlights known internally as RWI model (not RWII)? Should I take that RWI doesn't mean RWS? Ok, if so, when Superliner production was moved from Hayward to East Coast (in 81 as Mike said) did it already purchase a newly designed MH chassis? Or any trucks were assembled using Cruiseliner rails? The 2nd gen RW with rectangular headlights was known internally as the RWI model. The RWI (on the Ultra-Liner chassis) replaced the Hayward, California-built RWS (steel frame) and RWL (aluminum frame). 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 6 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: The RWI (on the Ultra-Liner chassis) replaced the Hayward, California-built RWS (steel frame) and RWL (aluminum frame). When was that happened? Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskymack Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 8 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: The 2nd gen RW with rectangular headlights was known internally as the RWI model. Sorry, I think I muddied the waters because I thought we were talking about RW 1 and RW 2 models whereas we are really talking about RWL/S and RWI. Perhaps the 2nd Generation Super-Liner should have been RMH! So, to summarize; Hayward closed in 81 and all Western model production moved to Macungie or elsewhere. RWS/L Super-Liner continued with split frame. WS/L Cruise-Liner with split frame continued with improvements and cosmetic changes like new grill to match Super-Liner. RS/L Value-Liner continued as was. WS/L Cruise-Liner discontinued in 83, replaced by brand new design MH. RWS/L Super-Liner discontinued in 85 replaced by RWI Super-Liner using MH frame. RS/L Value-Liner discontinued in 87 marking the end of a 2 decade distinctive Western product run. Back to R700's, 865's, 866,s 1000/1005's and E9's. Vlad I see what you mean about the valve covers. It also means that the whole cylinder head casting is a bit different too. Found this video whilst comparing. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Vladislav said: When was that happened? The second generation (RWI) Super-Liner entered production in 1985. (The MH Ultra-Liner entered limited production in 1984........there were quite a few last minute changes) Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 hours ago, kscarbel2 said: The second generation (RWI) Super-Liner entered production in 1985. (The MH Ultra-Liner entered limited production in 1984........there were quite a few last minute changes) Thank you for the answer. Now I got a proof of knowing the most things right. But now is my next question - where was Mack Superliner produced from 1981 to 1985 and using which frame rails? Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 9 hours ago, Whiskymack said: Sorry, I think I muddied the waters because I thought we were talking about RW 1 and RW 2 models whereas we are really talking about RWL/S and RWI. Perhaps the 2nd Generation Super-Liner should have been RMH! So, to summarize; Hayward closed in 81 and all Western model production moved to Macungie or elsewhere. RWS/L Super-Liner continued with split frame. WS/L Cruise-Liner with split frame continued with improvements and cosmetic changes like new grill to match Super-Liner. RS/L Value-Liner continued as was. WS/L Cruise-Liner discontinued in 83, replaced by brand new design MH. RWS/L Super-Liner discontinued in 85 replaced by RWI Super-Liner using MH frame. RS/L Value-Liner discontinued in 87 marking the end of a 2 decade distinctive Western product run. Back to R700's, 865's, 866,s 1000/1005's and E9's. Vlad I see what you mean about the valve covers. It also means that the whole cylinder head casting is a bit different too. RS/L 600 Value-Liner continued as was. RS/L700 discontinued before the date. The whole cylinder head castings of V8 engine were completely different since they conteined 2 valves instead of 4. I suppose they had a similar mounting pattern as E9 regardless less cylinder bore. At least something like that was posted on here in the past. But actually the heads on 865/866 represented different shape at the top and carried smaller covers. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harbison Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 1:26 PM, Vladislav said: Thank you for the answer. Now I got a proof of knowing the most things right. But now is my next question - where was Mack Superliner produced from 1981 to 1985 and using which frame rails? Macungie,and they used the Cruiseliner frame 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 17 hours ago, Mike Harbison said: Macungie,and they used the Cruiseliner frame Thanks Mike. I never payed attention to the fact thinking the 1st generation was assembled at Hayward only. But this above discussion put more questions to me than answers. Now the things are clear. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-451704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 On 5/18/2020 at 9:22 PM, kscarbel2 said: The 2nd gen RW with rectangular headlights was known internally as the RWI model. The RWI (on the Ultra-Liner chassis) replaced the Hayward, California-built RWS (steel frame) and RWL (aluminum frame). It would be interesting to sit in a room, pour tasty alcoholic beverages into you, and extract every bit of Mack knowledge you have out of your head! You've forgotten more about these old Dogs than most of us will ever know... 1 1 Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-452257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 So when did they stop making the RWL and RWS 700's Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 43 minutes ago, james j neiweem said: So when did they stop making the RWL and RWS 700's Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
67RModel Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 It would be really sweet to own that lone RS800 or at least even see it. I wonder who it was built for and why they only made one of them. 800 series DMs were fairly common. Did Mack build any R800s in Allentown? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, 67RModel said: It would be really sweet to own that lone RS800 or at least even see it. I wonder who it was built for and why they only made one of them. 800 series DMs were fairly common. Did Mack build any R800s in Allentown? Four, in 1968, it appears... Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) I can't remember. Somebody remind me what the SECOND "R" stands for (Like in the R795R). I know an "F at the end was for "Fire" apparatus. But, I can't remember what the "R" suffix meant. Slippin'... Never mind. Right-hand drive. Duh! Like I said, slippin'! LOL! Edited January 20, 2022 by doubleclutchinweasel Remembered! Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocky Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) I think Tony Champion of Rockhampton QLD AU has one of the R800R's that he is restoring?? I saw it from a distance in 2015 and if I remember right there was an article on it last summer in the ATCA Double Clutch?? Edited January 20, 2022 by Brocky 2 Quote Brocky Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 5/19/2020 at 2:31 AM, Whiskymack said: Sorry, I think I muddied the waters because I thought we were talking about RW 1 and RW 2 models whereas we are really talking about RWL/S and RWI. Perhaps the 2nd Generation Super-Liner should have been RMH! So, to summarize; Hayward closed in 81 and all Western model production moved to Macungie or elsewhere. RWS/L Super-Liner continued with split frame. WS/L Cruise-Liner with split frame continued with improvements and cosmetic changes like new grill to match Super-Liner. RS/L Value-Liner continued as was. WS/L Cruise-Liner discontinued in 83, replaced by brand new design MH. RWS/L Super-Liner discontinued in 85 replaced by RWI Super-Liner using MH frame. RS/L Value-Liner discontinued in 87 marking the end of a 2 decade distinctive Western product run. Back to R700's, 865's, 866,s 1000/1005's and E9's. Vlad I see what you mean about the valve covers. It also means that the whole cylinder head casting is a bit different too. Found this video whilst comparing. Man that was excellent thanks for sharing just spotted it… Bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I know of a guy named Kevin who could answer these questions, but he seems to be AWOL lately.🤥 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 10:29 PM, doubleclutchinweasel said: Wonder why this table points out a few models produced up to 1983 and even 1984 years? Possibly was it mean "Hayward models" which didn't mean "trucks made in Hayward"? Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Swishy Posted January 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) Here's a pix eye pirated from Brocky his visit to the udder side of the world in Oz Thanx Brocky cya Edited January 26, 2022 by Swishy 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/62533-when-was-the-r700-discontinued/page/2/#findComment-487922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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