America has a Silent Black Majority

[Red Horse]

Check this out.  Jason Riley is a black commentator that frequently is featured on WSJ Opinion Page.

Guy makes a lot of sense

riley wsj 6_17_20 2nd 3.pdf

[GA_Dave]

Sadly, we will never hear from this guy through the mainstream media!  His views do not support their agenda!

[mrsmackpaul]

1 hour ago, GA_Dave said:

Sadly, we will never hear from this guy through the mainstream media!  His views do not support their agenda!

I think of this forum and another that I frequent as my main stream media 

 

Guess that makes me a bit of a looser 

 

Paul 

[GA_Dave]

2 hours ago, mrsmackpaul said:

I think of this forum and another that I frequent as my main stream media 

 

Guess that makes me a bit of a looser 

 

Paul 

Not at all!  But you know which media outlets I was talking about.

[HeavyGunner]

2 hours ago, mrsmackpaul said:

I think of this forum and another that I frequent as my main stream media 

 

Guess that makes me a bit of a looser 

 

Paul 

I’m with you Paul. We don’t have and never have had antenna or cable or satellite tv. At first because it was too expensive and now because you are bombarded with ads, agendas and the news is pretty much worthless. It’s about equal to the national enquirer in my opinion. Just flashy headlines to get you to look with absolutely no truth or facts behind it just feelings and party lines. 

[mowerman]

working class,,,entire different species,,,,,,rioters,all on government assistance,,,,im thinking we pay for them to be out there,biting the hand that feeds them...lol.thats where the lotsa bullets,come in handy....save a window,save a cop,,and another assclown off the streets,and out of the taxpayers pockets,,,win win situation.......bob

[Quickfarms]

I feel that welfare and the other assistance problems need to be there but they are not a career.

The current system needs to be reformed.

I had an employee who was a single mom who was having trouble making ends meet and welfare told her to quit her job to collect benefits. Fortunately she came to me and I authorized her to work a little overtime to make it.

The system needs to be reformed with the goal to get most, if not all, of the recipients off of welfare as soon as possible. Yes the training and or education will cost more initially but at the end the recipient will then be paying into the system.

[Vladislav]

On 6/19/2020 at 6:49 AM, HeavyGunner said:

I’m with you Paul. We don’t have and never have had antenna or cable or satellite tv. At first because it was too expensive and now because you are bombarded with ads, agendas and the news is pretty much worthless. It’s about equal to the national enquirer in my opinion. Just flashy headlines to get you to look with absolutely no truth or facts behind it just feelings and party lines. 

Almost the same with me. No TV antenna/cable and news only from the net being patiently readed to filter off BS and hidden advertizement.

[HeavyGunner]

7 hours ago, Quickfarms said:

I feel that welfare and the other assistance problems need to be there but they are not a career.

The current system needs to be reformed.

I had an employee who was a single mom who was having trouble making ends meet and welfare told her to quit her job to collect benefits. Fortunately she came to me and I authorized her to work a little overtime to make it.

The system needs to be reformed with the goal to get most, if not all, of the recipients off of welfare as soon as possible. Yes the training and or education will cost more initially but at the end the recipient will then be paying into the system.
 

I agree with everything you said. The trouble is getting the Democrats to vote for programs to help people get off of assistance because then their voters base goes away once they are self sufficient and can have thoughts on their own when not sitting around with their hands out they likely won’t vote for someone who they only voted for before because of the promise of more handouts. 

[Maxidyne]

As budget "holes" go, welfare doesn't exist anymore and it's replacement, TANF, isn't much more than a rounding error. The biggest chunk of government spending is federal, over half of that is military and a lot of the rest is contractually mandated insurance programs like Social Security and Medicare. If you're looking for savings the low hanging fruit was the military budget, but with unemployment over 10% you don't want to force a lot of military folks onto the job market. So good luck cutting the federal budget, no matter who wins tax loopholes will have to be plugged and trillions more borrowed. At the state and local level there's not a lot of fat to cut and in this recession sales and income tax receipts are down so there's little potential for savings their. As for your half baked political theory, the majority of the young voters the democrats are trying to woo are working at low wage jobs, so a $15 an hour minimum wage is a lot more appealing to them than welfare. If you're looking to cut spending, shut down the scams and close the loopholes that let millionaires get free health care and make millions more without paying a cent of tax.

[GA_Dave]

6 minutes ago, Maxidyne said:

As budget "holes" go, welfare doesn't exist anymore and it's replacement, TANF, isn't much more than a rounding error. The biggest chunk of government spending is federal, over half of that is military and a lot of the rest is contractually mandated insurance programs like Social Security and Medicare. If you're looking for savings the low hanging fruit was the military budget, but with unemployment over 10% you don't want to force a lot of military folks onto the job market. So good luck cutting the federal budget, no matter who wins tax loopholes will have to be plugged and trillions more borrowed. At the state and local level there's not a lot of fat to cut and in this recession sales and income tax receipts are down so there's little potential for savings their. As for your half baked political theory, the majority of the young voters the democrats are trying to woo are working at low wage jobs, so a $15 an hour minimum wage is a lot more appealing to them than welfare. If you're looking to cut spending, shut down the scams and close the loopholes that let millionaires get free health care and make millions more without paying a cent of tax.

So, tell us who are all those generations of people living in government housing projects who have never worked a day in their lives?  You know, the ones who have cranked out five or six kids since they were 15 and most of them have different fathers.  The ones known in the EMS business as "frequent fliers".  The ones whose goals in life are to "get high, get laid and get paid"!  The ones who have an apartment fire caused by someone dropping a burning roach into a stuffed chair and not noticing it until it was fully involved because they were so high, and then they all ran out of the apartment, leaving five kids sleeping upstairs, then sued because HUD didn't put new batteries in the smoke detectors!  Two of those kids died that night.  The other three likely still live there.  It was over 30 years ago.

Even if it's a 40 hour week job, $15.Hr only pays about $31k/year.  They get more than that sitting on their butts collecting welfare!

[Maxidyne]

Just about everything you said in that reply was false.

[Mack Technician]

Don’t be offended, but I think Georgia Dave has that Lady Blah-Blah Blocker turned on like Heavy G. 

[HeavyGunner]

45 minutes ago, Mack Technician said:

Don’t be offended, but I think Georgia Dave has that Lady Blah-Blah Blocker turned on like Heavy G. 

It’s like sitting on a sunny beach without the bugs or seagulls annoying you. You could almost say it’s paradise 😁

[Ditchdiggerjcf]

On 6/18/2020 at 8:25 PM, mrsmackpaul said:

I think of this forum and another that I frequent as my main stream media 

 

Guess that makes me a bit of a looser 

 

Paul 

What's a looser?

Edited June 29, 2020 by Ditchdiggerjcf

[Ditchdiggerjcf]

19 hours ago, Maxidyne said:

As budget "holes" go, welfare doesn't exist anymore and it's replacement, TANF, isn't much more than a rounding error. The biggest chunk of government spending is federal, over half of that is military and a lot of the rest is contractually mandated insurance programs like Social Security and Medicare. If you're looking for savings the low hanging fruit was the military budget, but with unemployment over 10% you don't want to force a lot of military folks onto the job market. So good luck cutting the federal budget, no matter who wins tax loopholes will have to be plugged and trillions more borrowed. At the state and local level there's not a lot of fat to cut and in this recession sales and income tax receipts are down so there's little potential for savings their. As for your half baked political theory, the majority of the young voters the democrats are trying to woo are working at low wage jobs, so a $15 an hour minimum wage is a lot more appealing to them than welfare. If you're looking to cut spending, shut down the scams and close the loopholes that let millionaires get free health care and make millions more without paying a cent of tax.

 getting free healthcare and paying no taxes while making millions is a libtard fairytale.

[GA_Dave]

19 hours ago, Maxidyne said:

Just about everything you said in that reply was false.

EVERYTHING I stated was the God's honest TRUTH!  I witnessed it for 28 years and I know it is still happening!  I found the last child to be brought out of that fire.

When added up, the public assistance benefits for a single mother of three, including food, housing, utilities, and healthcare, exceed the wages of people who earn $15/Hr on a full time job.  To top that off, she will pay no income taxes nor property taxes and no FICA taxes.  Why would she ever work?

[storkmack]

We had a guy not make it through training for a mixer driver because as he put it and I quote, “ I can make $930 on unemployment a week and not leave my house”.  That’s $23.50 an hour for a 40 hour week. Now if you take a guy like this and give him a job and the others on assistance a job where they can support them selves and pay taxes like most of us do, can you imagine the amount of money that would flood the economy In the form of business and the treasury in the form of taxes?   So maybe it is a poor argument to say to get off the aid and get a job, but I believe there would be an almost unimaginable wealth that would come over our great nation.  

[Maxidyne]

51 minutes ago, GA_Dave said:

EVERYTHING I stated was the God's honest TRUTH!  I witnessed it for 28 years and I know it is still happening!  I found the last child to be brought out of that fire.

When added up, the public assistance benefits for a single mother of three, including food, housing, utilities, and healthcare, exceed the wages of people who earn $15/Hr on a full time job.  To top that off, she will pay no income taxes nor property taxes and no FICA taxes.  Why would she ever work?

Not in Minnesota, especially when you figure in that a family of four with one member working that $15 an hour job will probably get health care through work or be eligible for subsidized health care if not. We structure our assistance programs so you are always better off working if you are able.

[Maxidyne]

24 minutes ago, storkmack said:

We had a guy not make it through training for a mixer driver because as he put it and I quote, “ I can make $930 on unemployment a week and not leave my house”.  That’s $23.50 an hour for a 40 hour week. Now if you take a guy like this and give him a job and the others on assistance a job where they can support them selves and pay taxes like most of us do, can you imagine the amount of money that would flood the economy In the form of business and the treasury in the form of taxes?   So maybe it is a poor argument to say to get off the aid and get a job, but I believe there would be an almost unimaginable wealth that would come over our great nation.  

In Minnesota and many states UI is capped at 2/3rds of previous wage, with an additional $600 a week during the current crisis. Even two decades ago I didn't crawl outa bed for less than $20 and hour, and in an area like Chicago you need to offer at least $25 an hour. Sounds like you need to raise your wages...

[Maxidyne]

1 hour ago, GA_Dave said:

EVERYTHING I stated was the God's honest TRUTH!  I witnessed it for 28 years and I know it is still happening!  I found the last child to be brought out of that fire.

When added up, the public assistance benefits for a single mother of three, including food, housing, utilities, and healthcare, exceed the wages of people who earn $15/Hr on a full time job.  To top that off, she will pay no income taxes nor property taxes and no FICA taxes.  Why would she ever work?

There's been little to no public housing built in the last four decades, and much of what existed has been torn down.

Edited June 30, 2020 by Maxidyne

[Maxidyne]

2 hours ago, Ditchdiggerjcf said:

 getting free healthcare and paying no taxes while making millions is a libtard fairytale.

Do I need to explain to you how it's done?

[Ditchdiggerjcf]

Yep

[Maxidyne]

Back to the original subject of the thread... Black voters are something of a silent majority in that they're more conservative, especially on social issues, than the rest of the democratic party. That's probably because a lot of blacks would be republicans, but the republican party has so embraced white supremacy in recent years that they've been chased to the democratic party. There are a lot of other groups like high income tech workers, asians, and gays that would have sided with the republican party on economic issues alone that the republicans have driven into voting democratic. This is the ruin of a republican party that Trump will leave behind, a minority party of old white men.

[Ditchdiggerjcf]

Good gawd