1941 Military NM-3 6-ton 6x6 1-104 made

[PheadrusGs]

Hi Everyone

I found this old Mack and being new to them, couldn't figure out the year and model.  The owner claims it's a 1943 military Mack but it looks close to an early 50's A series cab.  It appears to be a 6x6.  Any info and whether it would be worth hauling home? 

Thanks.

Edited July 17, 2020 by PheadrusGs

[PheadrusGs]

The front dheetmetal and front diff looks like a Mack NM-8D 6-ton 6x6.  But the cab isn't a military cab.  So that's what I'm not sure about.

Edited July 17, 2020 by PheadrusGs

[PheadrusGs]

From what I can find, it's a Mack NM-3 6-ton 6x6 with the enclosed L series cab.

Edited July 17, 2020 by PheadrusGs

[PheadrusGs]

[PheadrusGs]

According to Wikipedia,

"The NM-3 was the last model to have an enclosed cab. It was similar to the NM-1 and NM-2 except for: front pintle for positioning artillery pieces, arched bumper (front pintle under the arche), smaller brush guard, side lights on mudguards, towing hooks on bumper deleted, radiator shell with Mack nameplate. "

From further research, it's a 1941 NM-3 of which only 104 were produced.  Most apparently went to the UK so this may be the only one in North America. Pretty cool.

Some had front duallys as well.

Edited July 17, 2020 by PheadrusGs

[Ditchdiggerjcf]

Better snatch that one up. It nneds to be preserved.

[PheadrusGs]

Trust me, I want to but it's a 15 hour drive from me.  My concern is also that the engine side engine covers are missing, glass is gone, gauges are smashed, etc.  Would the gauges and side covers by hard to find?  I assume the glass is just flat and can be made. 

[PheadrusGs]

Plus, at 20,000+lbs, I'd likely have to pay to have it hauled on a lowboy all the way here.

Edited July 17, 2020 by PheadrusGs

[Ditchdiggerjcf]

1 hour ago, PheadrusGs said:

Trust me, I want to but it's a 15 hour drive from me.  My concern is also that the engine side engine covers are missing, glass is gone, gauges are smashed, etc.  Would the gauges and side covers by hard to find?  I assume the glass is just flat and can be made. 

Side covers miggt be tough, but I bet there are places that can build those. The gauges can be rebuilt too. It just takes money.

[PheadrusGs]

The big issue is the cost to low boy it to my place(1500km/950miles one way).  Likely $3000-$3500. 

Just talked with the owner.  It was never sent overseas for the war.  It was used at the bases here in Canada sparingly until it broke the crank.  It along with about 12 more, were sold as surplus to a company that the current owner then bought it from.  He put a dump box on it and used it for hauling gravel for 25 years and said it would haul anything.  About 25 years ago, the engine just stopped one day and antifreeze came out the exhaust.  He figures it dropped a valve

He even used it for the weekend tractor pulls and it out pulled everything.  Also said it actually wasn't too bad on fuel either with the 707 gas.  He had a guy come by last week that said he wanted to cut the doors off to hang in his shop and scrap the rest.  UGH!!  I wish I could find a way to make it feasible to get it to my place.  But at 10 tons, anything but a lowboy isn't possible which makes it an expensive propostion.  I'm waiting to find out if my offer was accepted for 3 B series and maybe an A series so maybe I may have to pass on the NM-3.  I just hope it doesn't go for scrap.

[mrsmackpaul]

In Australia we have a internet site called loadshift and on that site you just put up what you need shifted and were and (owner operators generally) the phone starts ringing with quotes

Even though I own my own trucks a lot of the time if something is on the other side of the country its far cheaper to get it sent home this way

 https://www.loadshift.com.au/

 

Does the US and Canada have a equivalent site ?

I dont mind using it and sometimes you get mucked about but I  have always had people deliver 

Paul 

[Ditchdiggerjcf]

2 hours ago, PheadrusGs said:

The big issue is the cost to low boy it to my place(1500km/950miles one way).  Likely $3000-$3500. 

Just talked with the owner.  It was never sent overseas for the war.  It was used at the bases here in Canada sparingly until it broke the crank.  It along with about 12 more, were sold as surplus to a company that the current owner then bought it from.  He put a dump box on it and used it for hauling gravel for 25 years and said it would haul anything.  About 25 years ago, the engine just stopped one day and antifreeze came out the exhaust.  He figures it dropped a valve

He even used it for the weekend tractor pulls and it out pulled everything.  Also said it actually wasn't too bad on fuel either with the 707 gas.  He had a guy come by last week that said he wanted to cut the doors off to hang in his shop and scrap the rest.  UGH!!  I wish I could find a way to make it feasible to get it to my place.  But at 10 tons, anything but a lowboy isn't possible which makes it an expensive propostion.  I'm waiting to find out if my offer was accepted for 3 B series and maybe an A series so maybe I may have to pass on the NM-3.  I just hope it doesn't go for scrap.

I would pass on the other trucks before I passed on that one. That one seems pretty rare.

[Vladislav]

It could be a NM-3 of 1941 but could also be not. The dash panel in the cab looks like original military style with small gauges and big round box attached at the center which was an electric brakes control for a trailer. But the doors have vent windows what means they are after the war doors. Original ones had one piece glasses. Also factory NM closed cabs had a kind of air intake or deflector on the top of the roof near the windscreens and I don't see it on the truck. One more very distingueshed feature that stood early NM's (including NM-3) apart from later series were hood sides with louvres. But those parts are gone here so no clue.

Actually the most correct way to determine the series of this (definitely NM-model) Mack is to compare the chassis number. It must be stamped on the LH frame rail behind the front wheel near the top edge of the rail. Must be in the range between NM8D 1196 and NM8D 1299. There's a very good and useful book written by Dutch person by the name of Bart Vanderveen which covers all history of Mack military production including WW2 models.It also conteins info on chassis ## of many particular truck models including all series of NM.

[Vladislav]

On 7/17/2020 at 10:11 PM, PheadrusGs said:

Trust me, I want to but it's a 15 hour drive from me.  My concern is also that the engine side engine covers are missing, glass is gone, gauges are smashed, etc.  Would the gauges and side covers by hard to find?  I assume the glass is just flat and can be made. 

The gauges are mostly standart military gauges. Were used on Willis Jeep, Dodge WC etc. Check out Kaizerwillis.com (or so), that guy has the most of the gauges you need. Excepting the tacho which was not used in Willis but was in GMC, White halftruck and some other WW2 vehicles. Glasses are all flat glass, no trouble. Windscreen frames could be an issue but they're a L-model part. Original engine model is EY but in fact it's a common Thermodyne 707 gasser with modified oil pan to accomodate the front drive axle. Could also be easily swapped to END diesel off a B-model or so.

[Wrecker Rebuilder]

Hi Down in Atlanta. Thats an L model, one o the most collectible of the older Macks. Definitely worth getting. Parts are relatively easy to find. I have two a 1945 ad=nd  1949. If you are patient on ebay the stuff pops up. Notice the space in the front bumper for the military hand starter crank. 

[BOB DINGSDALE]

also has timken rear ends and spring and torque arm set up. don;t think  they are origanal.

[Vladislav]

They're original. That's original military Mack NM. The matter of the question at the time is it's an early steel cab series model or a later open cab one with a commercial L-model cab installed.

[kscarbel2]

17 hours ago, BOB DINGSDALE said:

also has timken rear ends and spring and torque arm set up. don;t think  they are origanal.

Engine                Mack EY707, 170 horsepower @ 2,100 rpm

Transmission    Mack TR36 five-speed

Transfer Case   Timken-Wisconsin T-77-3 two-speed

Axles                  Timken-Wisconsin 7.33 ratio