Quickfarms Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Rebuilding the Holland XA-2009, FW2000, fifth wheel has turned into a pain in the ass. The Holland instructions make it sound like a piece of cake. They say to make a helper block out of hardwood or steel, they should just say steel, that oak block I made did not work until I wrapped it in 1/8” steel strap. After that and greasing everything it went ok until the instructions said release the handle, easier said than actually accomplished. The real frustration occurred when I adjusted the lock wedge with a piece of 2” steel tubing in there, it’s the same diameter as the small part of my kingpin. Now when I pull the handle the lock retracts like it should but the jaws don’t open! If I back the adjustment off it works So I tried it again using a new king pin with the same results I am wondering if I can’t pull the handle far enough because the fifth wheel is not attached to the truck. The rebuild procedures, XL-FW134-01, reference Holland publication XL-FW225, XL-FW303 and XL-FW340. I have been unable to find these 3 documents on the Holland website. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I most likely am wrong So please ignore if you reckon Im completely of track Put the grease plate back on the truck Drop a hook or some such thing in the jaws if they are closed Hook off a chain block Im thinking, and hook the other end to the chassis Pull the handle to release the jaws and and pull the chain block back to open them Then just start using as you normally would Im guessing a tiny dag or burr the poofteenth type size is causing the drama and after a use or two I think it will be fine Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-458280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGarofalo Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Ironically I was working on this exact model fifth wheel today for a no latch complaint. They can be a real bear to release without the tool or some leverage when on a bench. Make sure your cam plate bolts are not too tight to where it binds. Here is a troubleshooting guide for this hitch. http://literature1.safholland.com/sites/damedit/literature/XL-FW451-01_en-US.pdf Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-458285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
70mackMB Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Company l drive for will NOT rebuild a 5th wheel, they replace it with a new one. .....Hippy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-458289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfarms Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 After calling Holland, getting advise, and still having problems I called my truck parts house and they referred me to the local Holland distributor. So I called them and they said It happens sometimes with the XA2009 because there are 4 different jaw designs. There recommendation was for me to bring them the plate and they would adjust it. They are probably going to grind the swinging lock per the Holland manual. I also brought them the second plate. These plates date from 1989 and 1978 and neither has much use. The 1989 plate had 33,000 miles on the truck and this plate is being rebuilt because the springs rusted up from 10 years of storage. This one received a full rebuild kit. The 1978 plate was taken apart because the grease had solidified on this one the parts were reused after cleaning because there was absolutely no wear. The dolly this is mounted on does not appear to have ever been used Both plates are on military surplus equipment. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-458310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Quickfarms said: After calling Holland, getting advise, and still having problems I called my truck parts house and they referred me to the local Holland distributor. So I called them and they said It happens sometimes with the XA2009 because there are 4 different jaw designs. There recommendation was for me to bring them the plate and they would adjust it. They are probably going to grind the swinging lock per the Holland manual. I also brought them the second plate. These plates date from 1989 and 1978 and neither has much use. The 1989 plate had 33,000 miles on the truck and this plate is being rebuilt because the springs rusted up from 10 years of storage. This one received a full rebuild kit. The 1978 plate was taken apart because the grease had solidified on this one the parts were reused after cleaning because there was absolutely no wear. The dolly this is mounted on does not appear to have ever been used Both plates are on military surplus equipment. I'm not a big fan of the single pin design! I hesitated to respond to this post as what I had to say was not usefull to your issue ! how ever I will say it anyway ! in my mind This design is a danger to the motoring public You can't be sure it is totally locked ! The original adjuster out the front design FW 3500 is a far superior unit Safety wise If that adjuster is in the wheel is locked period ! With the single pin jaw Its a crap shoot!We sold several of these units when they first came out and eventually went back to the 3500 due to the hit and miss nature of the lock design of the XA2009 ! I know this doesn't help you as you already spent the dollars Trying to save a buck ! Sorry But just an opinion! Edited August 13, 2020 by fjh 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-458327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfarms Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 I picked up a sliding mount for the truck Saturday It did come with a fifth wheel The base is disassembled and almost ready for the sand blaster. The sliding part will be powder coated Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-459375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Yup that’s a keeper! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-459439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfarms Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 The XA-2009 will fit right on that base Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-459444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfarms Posted August 28, 2020 Author Share Posted August 28, 2020 The sliding base is back from the blaster and after some measurements I came to the conclusion that the old mounting angles will have to be replaced so I removed them this morning 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-459713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfarms Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 New angles and powder coated Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-464557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdog2 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Try to order 1 for a double frame truck it was a cluster f&*k went from old to new .. Quote Ed Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/63677-holland-fifth-wheel-rebuild/#findComment-464559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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