John3406 Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Have a couple questions for you guys. Working on a inframe on a e7 350 mechanical. Do you guys recommend replacing head bolts and rod bolts? Also the cam looks good no flaking etc. What are your thoughts on replacing the cam? Im kind of new to mack motors but rebuilt plenty of deere, cat and cummins. Thanks Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 In my opinion!No to the bolts if the cam looks good leave it ! Pay close attention to liner height try to achieve 25 or better up to 28 thou! 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-466651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share Posted January 7, 2021 Well i decided to pull cam. After looking at it some more i decided to replace it Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-466655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 On Wed Jan 06 2021 at 1:51 PM, fjh said: In my opinion!No to the bolts if the cam looks good leave it ! Pay close attention to liner height try to achieve 25 or better up to 28 thou! I must have the wrong book because it says liner height at 10 to 12. It also doesn't tell me the torque for the side bolts on the mains Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-466963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKX Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 The buttress bolts are 90 ft/lb make sure the long bolts go on the right side of the engine on bearings 2&3 by the aux drive your mains are 210 ft/lb, and Fjh is correct with the height they can be .022-.027 under the same head as long as they are in that spec range Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-466987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, MACKX said: The buttress bolts are 90 ft/lb make sure the long bolts go on the right side of the engine on bearings 2&3 by the aux drive your mains are 210 ft/lb, and Fjh is correct with the height they can be .022-.027 under the same head as long as they are in that spec range I appreciate the info. And my book does say 22 to 27 on liner height. I misread it when i scanned it quick. Im assuming you check the liner height and get them right then put them back in with the seal? Correct me if im wrong on that. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-466988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 I put the cam and lifters in this evening. Plan on putting the mains and liners in tomorrow Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-466989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKX Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Yes, check height then when you reinstall , put the seal on the liner with Mack RTV at the liner seat , I use Mack grey nothing else , other guys may have another RTV that works for them , I just use the Mack RTV Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-466990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 Thanks. I will make sure to use mack rtv. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-466991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 hours ago, John3406 said: I appreciate the info. And my book does say 22 to 27 on liner height. I misread it when i scanned it quick. Im assuming you check the liner height and get them right then put them back in with the seal? Correct me if im wrong on that. Yup ! And no More than 2 thou variance between Liners Under the same Head! Also I your old Liners are at the (low spec 22) I would shim them 4 thou if the engine is 400hp or more ! That being said ! in your case It ran before with no head gasket issues It Will Probably run again fine ! just sayin Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I just read this thread..... You got some damn good help here, John... yes Mack Gray is the best sealant... Good luck, Jojo Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 Yeah i will have to open up the kit and see if the mack rtv is included. If not i will pick some up. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmac3 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 The engine kit will usually supply the RTV. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
turckster Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 1:07 PM, John3406 said: Have a couple questions for you guys. Working on a inframe on a e7 350 mechanical. Do you guys recommend replacing head bolts and rod bolts? Also the cam looks good no flaking etc. What are your thoughts on replacing the cam? Im kind of new to mack motors but rebuilt plenty of deere, cat and cummins. Thanks I reuse head bolts unless they have pitting or heavy rust. I replace rod bolts on E6/E7/Etech engines, never reuse, that's our company policy. Just a note, main bearings are the same on #2,3,5&6. #1 looks the same but it is not, the tang is slightly offset. If you mix that bearing then you loose all crank thrust. Seen many tech's scratch their heads trying to figure out why there is no crank thrust after replacing main bearings. Good luck 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vmac3 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Be on the lookout for a white paint mark on a crank journal. That means that journal was undercut by .002" from the factory. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 21 hours ago, turckster said: I reuse head bolts unless they have pitting or heavy rust. I replace rod bolts on E6/E7/Etech engines, never reuse, that's our company policy. Just a note, main bearings are the same on #2,3,5&6. #1 looks the same but it is not, the tang is slightly offset. If you mix that bearing then you loose all crank thrust. Seen many tech's scratch their heads trying to figure out why there is no crank thrust after replacing main bearings. Good luck Yeah i noticed the mains are different. I put the cam n lifters in and put the mains in. I do have a question on the liners. On top of the liners there is about 3 different steps. Where do you measure the height? Also my old liners had oring up towards the top the new liners do not have an oring. Did mack change that? This is a mechanical e7 with back half of pump electronic. Thanks Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Mack did away with the o-ring... On the liner there is the tall ring(step) around the liner, measure the low groove just outside the circumference of the tall step.. you will use a small amt. of Mack Gray sealant on the shelf in the counter bore to seal in the coolant. the head gasket will take care of the top... jojo 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joey Mack Posted January 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2021 I hope this helps........ 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 On Sat Jan 16 2021 at 10:49 PM, turckster said: Thanks guys for all the info. Big help. Does anyone know the part number for the sealer for the liner counterbore. I dont want to use the wrong stuff and have a leak 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) On 1/17/2021 at 8:32 AM, Vmac3 said: Be on the lookout for a white paint mark on a crank journal. That means that journal was undercut by .002" from the factory. Also The rod cap is usually stamped with an M2 If its 2 thou under Double check your shells to be sure ! They did this some times rod by rod Worth checking! Use the mack stuff Or Permatex Ultra Gray/black works fine! Edited January 18, 2021 by fjh Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 On Sat Jan 16 2021 at 10:49 PM, turckster said: Ok guys. Called mack dealer told them i needed the silicone for the liners. They delivered it down to the shop and they sent permatex ultra copper. So i called them and they claim thats what they use now on the liner counterbores. That sound right to you? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKX Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Mack RTV part number is 342SX33 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Mack likes to call it "silastic" 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Your'e right mark.... I forgot that.... 🤫.... Jojo 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKX Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Yes that is true Mark... I am too lazy to call it silastic sealant lol 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/65463-e7-inframe-questions/#findComment-467205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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