Alec Baldwin film set accident today

[harrybarbon]

Sad news of 1 dead and 1 critical. How could he be holding and firing a live loaded gun on a film set in 2021, with all the industry safety procedures? I read he is the producer, so he is in ultimate control and should be accountable! He ridiculed the President with joy for what, 3 years weekly on TV, what will be said of Baldwin now?  Where does the buck stop here?

[mrsmackpaul]

I nearly ran off the road coming home last night when I heard that on the radio

Im in complete shock and still dont know if its real or I miss heard, I hope for all involved that I miss heard but feel thats pretty unlikely 

Sad news for all involved 

 

Paul 

[Vladislav]

Read just 5 minutes ago. Really damn sad. Also been wondering on a reason of presence any real weapon on a movie set.

[Joey Mack]

This happened about 30 years ago on a set for an American T.V. series..   The actor played a character who was a weapons specialist.  the gun was loaded with blanks, just like Alec's.  Unfortunately these Dummies did'nt know that the pressure coming out of the muzzle can kill you if the weapon is pointed at you in very close range. The first one years ago, He put the gun to his head and fired it. It blew a chunk of his skull into his brain.  Alec, fired the gun towards the director and was close enough to cause a similar, fatal injury.  Of course this is about Alec Baldwin, so here in the States, they protect Psycho Lib's..  I'm sure there is another angle to what happened and it's on the cutting room floor.  Jojo

[tjc transport]

by the end of the night it will be all the guns fault, and 

there will be fresh rounds of all guns must be banned. 

[Joey Mack]

Yep!!!   You reckon, if I put masks on all of my guns it will be the cure for lead poisoning? 

[theakerstwo]

About 30 years ago at a police shooting contest a policeman pointed a 357 loaded with blanks at some else and pulled the trigger and killed him.

[Joey Mack]

Holy Crap...    I don't get it...  I learned about muzzle energy and pressure when I was in basic training for the Army. Heck we trained with blast deflectors clamped to the muzzles, and the gas pressure would operate the bolt so that another round would load.. Anyway, I'm no expert, just posting comments... Jojo

[tjc transport]

my father was a postal inspector and assistant postmaster for 25 years, then postmaster for 15 years. 

he was also a policeman for 50 years. 

and a NRA firearms safety instructor for 30 years.  which also made him the post office and police dept firearms safety instructor for close to 20 years. 

he always stressed if you pick up a weapon that is not yours, first thing to do is check to make sure it is not loaded. 

second thing: don't point a firearm at someone unless you plan on killing them. 

for hunter safety course, you had to hit a target suspended in a truck tire at 25 yards to pass and get your hunting license.  that was for both gun, and bow and arrow. 

he was very proud of the fact not one of his well over 1000 "kids" were ever in a shooting incident.

he quit the day he responded to an accidental shooting and found one of his firearm course "kids" dead from a 22 to the head. back in 1973.

he was shooting birds out of a cellar window while standing on top of the washing machine with a bunch of others. 

the gun allegedly fell to the floor and discharged striking him in the head. 

since the others all had their story the same it was ruled an accident. 

dad did not believe the story though and said he was murdered. 

one of the other kids there has been in prison since 1979 for multiple homicides. he has no chance of parole until he is 199 years old. 

[theakerstwo]

All three of my children was taught by me and they still remember that there is no empty gun.And never point it at anything that you would not want to shoot.

[Joey Mack]

Is this gun loaded??  YES!!   Thats what I was taught before I even joined the Army...  It used to be standard lesson's from Dad...  and these ACTORS are just that...Actors..   Too bad that Lady lost her life due to a lack of training...   jojo

[tjc transport]

13 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

Is this gun loaded??  YES!!   Thats what I was taught before I even joined the Army...  It used to be standard lesson's from Dad...  and these ACTORS are just that...Actors..   Too bad that Lady lost her life due to someone else's lack of intelligence...   jojo

fixed it for ya JoJo. 👍

[Joey Mack]

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[mowerman]

I usually enjoy this guys movies but I’m afraid I’ve always thought he was an idiot off screen…. Big price to pay for stupidity especially innocent people involved sucks …. Bob

[RowdyRebel]

I've heard multiple people attempt to blame others...from the props department to the weapons specialist to any number of others involved in the process. Bottom line, though, this rests 100% with Mr. Baldwin. HE was the one who picked up the gun. HE was the one who did not verify it's condition. HE was the one who pointed it in an unsafe direction. HE was the one who squeezed the trigger. Sure, there were others involved with the loading, etc. of the gun...but all of those people and what they may or may not have done wrong to possibly contribute to this tragedy would be a non-issue had Mr. Baldwin simply followed the most basic rules of safe firearm handling.

[Hayseed]

Sound Like it really was the Wild West.. There's few things about this that Don't pass the Smell Test to Me..

 

I just Hope that the Truth Comes out & Justice prevails..

[Joey Mack]

hayseed... he was fu%king that women and this was his way out..   I thought this out of the gate....  Don't care if i'm an idiot.. let's not forget....  it's Alec Baldwin........ jojo

[harrybarbon]

I declare that I am no fan of Baldwin.

Today in our local paper full 2 pages on this very sad and completely preventable tragedy. These are some excepts from our newspaper.

James Gunn US film director - the rules were changed after Brandon Lee died ... but more rules will not help if the rules aren't followed, which is usually how accidents happen on set. Producers etc need to be hardcore about making sure all the safety protocols are followed at all times.

Guilaume Delouche - Hollywood armourer who has supplied weapons to filmmakers for 30 + years. Protocols are necessarily strict comparing the double and triple checks with the way areoplane saftey systems operate. Blank weapons are treated as if they were real weapons. Once they on the set we organise the blank ammunition which is marked and coloured coded. First we show the crew and actors that the gun is empty before loading it, when we put blanks in it we announce it, several times. We have strict safety distances, you can't have someone less than 20 feet (6m) in front of a weapon when it is fired. It is better to never aim at someone directly. If we need to be closer we put up Plexiglass walls and cover the operators etc with fire blankets, anti noise helmets and safety glasses. If a blank is put in behind a dummy it effectively becomes a live round. That is what cost Brandon Lee's his life, there was never a check by the prop maker, which would have prevented the accident.

I think these comments indicate that Baldwin, the person in charge- THE BOSS, did not do his job, based on what has been reported he did not follow the rules and protocols. If he made sure the protocols were strictly followed possibility of an accident was NIL. Will he be held accountable the same way a transport boss would be treated if a truck has accident, people die because protocols were not followed?

 

 

[RowdyRebel]

There are people rotting away in prison who "didn't know it was loaded" and "accidently" killed someone. I really don't see how this is any different.

[theakerstwo]

I will not miss him at all if he goes to prison for any reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by theakerstwo
I was too kind.

[Joey Mack]

 I just watched another news story about this horrible event.  I am no expert, however, I have a lot of experience with firearms.  I heard that 2 people were shot.  This movie set is for a western.  so that tells me that the handguns were revolvers.  I would expect the revolver to be a black powder revolver that has to be pre loaded and caps need to be placed on the rear of the cylinder, and the weapon is a single action revolver that requires the hammer to be pulled back before each shot can be fired, and the same is true if it was a revolver similar to a trap door revolver, which you load through the 'trap door' at the rear of the cylinder, with an encased bullet... like the one's we all know. I believe these handguns back then were also single action...   so tell me????   after the first round was fired, and you realize you just sent a live round down range...  What tells you to crank off another round?   I welcome any and all corrections on what I posted.   B.T.W.  I own 2 single action revolvers, and they are "Modern"   relatively speaking... Jojo

[theakerstwo]

If it was 44 or 357 it could have gone thru one body and into another.But again we are speaking of some one who is a few bricks short.

[Joey Mack]

good point Glenn..

[tjc transport]

only one shot was fired.

for the age of the gun, i am thinking it was a 44 colt long. 

 

there are so many conflicting stories being reported it is very hard to know what is true or not. and i doubt we will ever hear the truth. 

[hurstscrambler]

Sad for sure, it would seem impossible for actors to treat every firearm as if it were loaded in the course of making a movie. No doubt some safety measures were not followed for this to have taken place, it will be interesting to see what the police determine.  Similar story to that of Bruce Lee’s son Brandon, he was fatally shot with a “Prop gun” (loaded with blanks I believe) one hell of a prop if it can kill someone.  I don’t think that actor was charged with a crime.  You think there would be a few more failsafes before a loaded gun ends up in the hands of idiot like Alec Baldwin.  I doubt he will face any legal consequences, it certainly sounds like it was an unfortunate accident.