mrsmackpaul Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Hmmmmm, dunno what Roadranger parts are worth but Mack parts are plenty dear enough, even PAI are just as bad To me just changing the crook parts is always cheaper but to what its worth I have no idea Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Not a clue Joey but don’t forget a shop would have stock it to him so be your own judge and jury on this one…. good luck.. bob 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Onyx, you can pull the input shaft out, then slide the sliding clutch out. look at the clutching teeth in the 5th/8th speed gear, if they are not chipped up real bad or rounded off, you slide a new sliding clutch back in, check the teeth on the input gear as well, it too is replaceable.. no it is not a perfect repair, but it is a doable one.. no special tools, just patience, and snap ring plyers, no need to pull the bell housing, just be patient sneaking the bearing cover out of it tight spot make sure you look for an oring that seals the oil slinger, there should be a spiral slinger machined into the input shaft.. jojo 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark T Posted July 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2022 33 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Onyx, you can pull the input shaft out, then slide the sliding clutch out. look at the clutching teeth in the 5th/8th speed gear, if they are not chipped up real bad or rounded off, you slide a new sliding clutch back in, check the teeth on the input gear as well, it too is replaceable.. no it is not a perfect repair, but it is a doable one.. no special tools, just patience, and snap ring plyers, no need to pull the bell housing, just be patient sneaking the bearing cover out of it tight spot make sure you look for an oring that seals the oil slinger, there should be a spiral slinger machined into the input shaft.. jojo That bearing cover you mentioned ? The one where the brake is squeezed against ?? take a 7/16 bottoming tap and thread two adjacent holes, screw a couple bolts in as jack screws and it comes right off. no damage to the 3/8s threads on the case and no removing the housing . 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 That was last summer. Just put a new trans in it after talking to the service manager. I was wanting to fix it but I guess he made it sound like a job. That gear would have needed replaced too because it was all grounded down. After stealing the input shaft out of the core for an alignment tool to have I saw how easy it started to come apart. Maybe next time haha. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 14, 2022 Author Share Posted July 14, 2022 Idk if you can zoom in, but if you can you can see there is nothing left of inside the gear. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Input shaft and front cover are common things to replace, and are pretty easy. Eaton has that clutch kit comes in a thing like a brief case with all that in there. A reman 8LL gotta be around $6500.00 now I'd guess. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mark T said: Input shaft and front cover are common things to replace, and are pretty easy. Eaton has that clutch kit comes in a thing like a brief case with all that in there. A reman 8LL gotta be around $6500.00 now I'd guess. Good to know for next time. They are 4k from Mack. Which ours was built by camerota truck parts. Edited July 15, 2022 by Onyx610 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joey Mack Posted July 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2022 Hey Guy's... I'm just tossing some info out there, for those who are not familiar with PAI engine and Cam kits, and other kit's... So far I have have had success and great performance out of these kit's. I am building my 6th or 7th engine, with PAI parts Kit's. . So when you buy a kit, try to read the contents list real good... The only thing's I have found, is ... If you buy them 'on-line' you may get slightly different contents in back to back kits.. still better than Mack.. my examples are this: oil pumps dont always come with the pickup tube, (no big deal).. Pay attention to 2 pc. piston orientation.. yes you will be disassembling them, just be sure to look for the "Front" marking, easy to see.. they just assemble them and do not orient them.. This kit that I just used did not have the oilpan gasket and insulators, the one I bought a month ago did have them.. The cam kit I ordered was listed with ceramic lifters. I received steel lifters in the kit and was very happy about that.. This post is not to complain, it is to give some info for those that may be new to PAI kits, and the vendors... Jojo 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I forgot to add this, the main bearing box is packaged very well, but they are not in order.. so just be sure to look at the tabs and galleries on the #7 and #4 bearings. you cant put them in wrong, but just make sure you match them up.. I know mack sets are in order, and of course you check them as well, and Mack part numbers match, but PAI uses different numbers.. once again, not complaining, just giving some info to those that may not be familiar.. jojo 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) Id love to take a week or two off from work and pay YOU to let me build an engine with you haha. Edited July 20, 2022 by Onyx610 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Hell yeah!! Im going to crank my second one in a month, tomorrow... 🤞 jojo 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 Good shit, that’s the kind of work you need. Wish you could post pics… 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I dont know how to reduce the MB's in order to post.. and , by the way, I would build one with you for free, well, mabey for some free beer and chit-chat... jojo 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just say the word 🍻 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I would like to join you both with a case of beer of course ha ha. Bob 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 Let’s do it! Hopefully there is a hotel near by haha. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Ahahahahaha I’m sure after all evening of drinking in a bar and lotsa chat we would all need one as well as a cab 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 for sure, Bob..... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-503773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Well here's some Shop Talk... at 6PM today, there was a drive by shooting at the drug house that is across the street from me.. We are safe and no good neighbors were shot.. There was about 10 shells in the street.. 8 cop cars came after I called.. When they got here I was out there with my AK, and was asked to stand down, so I complied.. I happen to have (9) ,,, 24/7 cameras with large hard drives running.. They took the video of the shooting.. I cant post it, for a couple reasons, but anyway, this would definately be some beer drinkin' shop talk, FOR SURE.... Im sleeping on the couch tonight with my M&P 9... In case you are guessing what they looked like.... They were in a black Dodge Charger, shooting at a Black Cadillac... Any Guess's??? Both cars left in a hurry.. Last night there were 5 shooting's in my town in 8 hours... I checked out my shop, and there were no holes in it or my customers Freightliner that is here.. Good Deal.. Now can someone post a happy 'shop talk' story... jojo 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-504320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I'm glad you found it funny, Onyx... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-504325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 When can you post the vid’s? Forget the pistol, you need to be sleeping with the long guns….the pistol is just for getting to the long guns. Haha 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-504326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 Parts of it….were pretty good. Like guessing who Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-504327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted July 26, 2022 Author Share Posted July 26, 2022 Good thing the dogs are ok 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-504328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 the video is 30 seconds and there is no real detail.. you can see the shooter roll the right front window down and get out and shoot 3-4 more rounds. But I think the other car shot at them first.. thats not on my camera,,,, wait.... maybe my shop cameras caught that... My wife already said that "I dont need to be out patrolling the yard tonight, just go to bed!" Yeah, right... 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/69424-shop-talk/page/25/#findComment-504329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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