Popular Post doubleclutchinweasel Posted July 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2022 Well, this is not truck-related, but it proves that idiots are, literally, everywhere. Recently got a new Harley. Rode it the first 1,000 miles, and took it back to the dealer for the initial service. I hate having other people touch my stuff, but thought it might be nice to have their people go over it the first time. They did their thing, and I rode it some more. They used the oil of their choice in the engine. Immediately, I did not like the sound as much as with the break-in oil. Not "bad", just a little "different". Something told me that I needed to change it out. So, I ordered some of the oil I personally think is a better lube. I am NOT turning this into another "which oil is best" thread! Too many of those out here already! Anyway, my gut just kept telling me to dump the oil. Could not really explain it rationally. Just a feeling, more than anything else. So, the other evening, I got it good and warm, and pulled it into the garage. Slid the pan under it. Slipped the ratchet on the drain plug, turned loose of the ratchet...and the plug turned! Took off the ratchet, and could turn the damned plug with my fingers! It was snugged-up against the O-ring, but was not tightened. I changed the oil and filter. Then, I decided it might be a good idea to check the plugs in the primary case and transmission, too, as they had changed those as well. The primary was probably OK. The plug in the transmission took several "bites" to hit the torque setting. Wow, 2 out of 3 loose. Called my son and told him to check his, too. Same thing, just not quite as loose on the engine oil drain. Primary OK, but trans and engine NOT tight. And, to think, I paid them a lot of money to leave these oil drain plugs loose! Idiots...everywhere. 3 2 Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBWhite Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 It's seems I have the opposite happen here, people use a gun to take the plug on and off, you can definitely tell who changes their own oil by who doesn't have wet spots on there driveway from a stripped out plug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 just the reason i have always done my own oil changes! terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted July 11, 2022 Author Share Posted July 11, 2022 Bunch of chicken-f#@&ers! 1 Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 At least the drain plug did not fall out draining the pan 1/2 mile from said dealer on your new truck with 4700 miles on it resulting in the dealer eating a new engine. 1 1 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 But kind of surprises me but as you said idiots are everywhere i used to be a sub hauler I had Mack service the truck regularly and my request was to come and get me when they were putting back the plug I wanted to watch them tightened it and they would do that I was always paranoid about those drain plugs lots of damage for just a small mistake ….. sorry to hear that… I was just thinking of you and a brand-new motorcycle a couple weeks ago and wondering how you were making out I had lots of far for a lot of years on them bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rubber Duck 006 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 My wife has a 2018 Ford Edge Titanium. It started losing coolant over a period of time. Took it to a shop and they told her there were no leaks or anything wrong. ( of course I happened to be out on the road and wasn't there).Yeah it finally died on her here acouple weeks ago and when she tried putting more coolant in it like she always did she could hear it running out. Yeah it's been at a Ford dealership now almost four weeks waiting on it's new engine and or parts. Typical young gun mechanics treating a woman like she didn't know anything gotta love it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:27 AM, mowerman said: But kind of surprises me but as you said idiots are everywhere i used to be a sub hauler I had Mack service the truck regularly and my request was to come and get me when they were putting back the plug I wanted to watch them tightened it and they would do that I was always paranoid about those drain plugs lots of damage for just a small mistake ….. sorry to hear that… I was just thinking of you and a brand-new motorcycle a couple weeks ago and wondering how you were making out I had lots of far for a lot of years on them bob Loving it so far. Need for it to quit raining every weekend, so we can get out and enjoy it more! Typical summertime in the southeast, I guess. Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 That sucks I grew up in New England if the same way pretty much summertime rains all the time . Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrybarbon Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Local motoring article in Australian newspaper recently. Toyota car owner left it at the dealer for service. Paid the invoice. At home checked the invoice, had charge for rotating the wheels. Returned to the dealer, spoke to the service manager, asked him they did the wheel rotation because the wheels had a key lock and he forgot to leave the key when he left the car for service. Got ya! Same article stated from insider at one dealer, come 4 pm if the cars not serviced they dont do any service, bring to pick up and charge for service. And another apprentice whistle blower said up to 60% of cars at his dealership are not serviced and charge for full service. But the comments re the new bikes is not new. Back in the 1960's my dad would spend up to full day at International Harvester Melbourne going over his new trucks, and checking every nut and bolt because of nasty experience in late 1950's with an Inter. And later with Benz's, although Benz's were near perfect, German excellence then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) Nobody is perfect and I don’t expect them to be we have a very reputable garage we have here in town we use for everything 5 star rating … mechanics are all old and professional tight ship operation ,, but still down home hospitality… we are very lucky to have them And they standby all their work they’re not cheap but they never sell you anything you don’t need they rebuilt the transmission on our F150 and they made a mistake something inside the transmission they pulled it back out and fixed it right no charge they said yes it was definitely our mistake but yes sometimes you could get really rimmed by some of these rip offs overcharge shotty work , Replace shit that there was nothing wrong with etc. yes I have nothing but good things to say about them.. And get this customers come with seniority the longer you have been with them they put you first according to years of service there.. that impressed the shit out of me… bob Edited July 16, 2022 by mowerman Misspelled 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Few years back I used to do all my own work not only do I not have time anymore but most of the stuff on these later models we can’t do anything with them anymore anyway.:Bob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joey Mack Posted July 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2022 As time goes on,, we were probably ALL dumbasses. I know I was.... But.... If you have a work ethic, you become good-to-great at what you do... in todays world the issue to me is not as much with the young'ns, but with the trainer's, and/or the top dog's.. Today they hire people with NO knowledge,,,, to show them THE WAY... to me the problem is that the newbies in our field, have almost no knowledge about what they are selling.. but.... they have a job... they dont understand that they are supposed to sell parts/ or make repairs, because that customer is a business owner, and in order for him to make his business operate, he need's a quality salesman.... or mechanic.. I have seen this lack of training recently.. nowadays, it's just ,, sell/sell/sell//.... No longer is there a relationship based on Business, just sales, and then when you need HELP... Cricket's.... Just my real opinion,,, Jojo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrsmackpaul Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2022 Gotta agree Gone are the days of people that sold spare parts actually knowing what they are selling or most mechanics even knowing how to fix things Most mechanics can only change whole components as in a whole gear box Sadly the skill level of all involved is slowly been eroded away Paul 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 That is because there are no more mechanics to teach the young ones. Now they are technicians, and are taught by computers. Put in symptoms, and the computer tells you what sub assembly to change. 2 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mowerman Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2022 I am sure a lot of you fellas remember the helper apprentice days you could hire on reputable shop as a helper and get all the Experience needed watching everybody else handing them tools etc A lot of times they would let you put it back together after you watch them take it apart and then they would watch you make sure you did everything right best way to learn… on the job experience win-win situation. nowadays people hiring mechanics really don’t even know what they’re looking for or what to ask them like wow man what a country ha ha… Bob 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I think the problem is all this QA rubbish and companys trying to get 5 ticks on their logo, they farm everything out so the companies take no responsibility for the product, only for the fitting of the product Do big truck workshops in the US even have a injector pump shop to rebuild things or at least check them, I doubt they do It all went pare shaped when places started having specialists in just on department instead of mechanics that could fix anything Local places to me had sales me and spare parts people that started on the workshop floor, all gone now and it shows Paul 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post davehummell Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2022 Back in 73 I went to work at Cleveland Brothers Cat dealer. I was put with the older mechanics to learn. I was sent to schools for engine, hydraulics, transmission, air filtration, injection pumps. I repaired everything that was on a piece of machinery. The 1693 engine and 3306 and 1674 and 1160 then the3208, 3406 were engines that I repaired in trucks. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joey Mack Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2022 I went through the same thing Dave.. when I went to Mack, the old timer there hated me for the first year until he realized what I was.. Then it was on.... He taught me as much as he could.. he was an E-6/ E-7 guy, and the E-tech was new back then.. So with his ethics and quality control, he taught me.... I took his teaching towards the E-Tech. He was a hardass, but He is by far a Man I will never forget.. Earl Harnden, from Scarborough Maine, We worked at Maine Mack in Portland Maine.. If he is still with us, he would be around 83... I miss him, and each engine I build, he is always on my mind... What would Earl tell me to do?? I still use homemade tools that he showed me how to make.. Jojo 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Licensed to kill Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Not a new phenomenon, Frank wrote about it in the 1970's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehummell Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 After I left Cleveland Brothers I went to work for a trucking company that had 27 or 29 r and h macks 237 5 speeds in each truck got to know macks really well. I left Cleveland bros. crap pay after 6 years 4.65 an hour started at the trucking garage for 7.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rubber Duck 006 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I went to A well known College here in Lima,Ohio that is the top Diesel Mechanic schools in the U.S. now mind you this was about 14yrs ago. I ended up only going to school for one session reason being I was watching students in the Ag Diesel program working on Combines and tractors here I was in my Class of Transportation Refrigeration Heating and Air Conditioning diagnosing AC issues on a Toyota Solace. Yeah I didn't understand that concept 😕. So I ended up just focusing on my trucking Career after the session was over. My teacher told me that he hoped I wasn't making a mistake on giving up on College. I can tell you I don't regret the experience I've gained out here on the road by working on and servicing the trucks I've driven over the years and helping the mechanics fix other trucks and asking questions etc. I've learned just as much they would've taught me in College and maybe alil more by just helping and gittin my hands dirty to save the company money on a service call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehummell Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 One of my cousins thought that it was cool that I was a life long mechanic and liked to watch me fix stuff. So after he graduated he went to a diesel engine school got out could only get a job at a place that ran garbage trucks he said he mostly did greasing and odd jobs in the shop found out he got dirty working on the trucks so he quit and is a laborer for a construction company. I would like to know what his family paid for that school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike69mackman Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 I have a friend with an 70’s station wagon. Needs carb work . Nobody will work on it and tell him we only do fuel injection. Nobody really knows how to fix things just change parts anymore. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Dont people just fix their own carby's in the States ? Even when they are badly worn most still sort them themslves, or at least most I know do Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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