skydawg Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 I`m seeing from 150 to 250 ft lbs for the wedges,and some saying not to bother with a torque wrench at all,since there are inconsistencies,eg,thread condition,rust,that vary from hub to hub.Would 200 ft lb be a good number? I`ll be swapping 6 tube rims and tires tomorrow for tubeless.I know to deflate the old tires before loosening any lugs,but this is first time territory for me.Thanks. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrsmackpaul Posted August 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2022 Never heard of deflating tyres before loosening nuts My take on these and still use them everyday, Swishman might be along shortly 100 - 150 is plenty, to much torque and all you do is squash the spacer, strip nuts and bust studs, there isn't any need for these stupid figures and all the BS that goes along with the key board warriors All drama and rubbish spoken and the key board warriors claiming they have seen people killed and mamed and so on is lies Use common sense, do them up tight with the wrench provided, make sure they run true, if you cant pull them in true with the nuts then back them off and start again Only nip them up by hand until they are within 1/4 inch of true on the tyre Then do them up tight, check within a few mile, then a few mile after that, make sure they are tight Then after 30 mile amd they should be right until the next flat or tyre change Skip all the drama and lies from keyboard warriors, up until 15 or 20 years ago thats pretty much all any truck had in Australia except for European trucks and even a lot of those had spoke conversions when new Paul 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydawg Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 Thanks,Paul,I was told that split rims could hurt you,and deflating the tire removed any danger. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 First things first, theres a big difference between split rims and dayton or spoked hubs The rims the outside piece, even if they are split types of rims you would have more chance of winning the lotto than anything happening while dropping the rim off Key board warriors have done so much damage with all their drama and carry on You probably have chance of dropping it on your foot or the truck slipping of the jack or stands They are no were near as dangerous as people make out are used the world over even today Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hayseed Posted August 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2022 6 hours ago, skydawg said: Thanks,Paul,I was told that split rims could hurt you,and deflating the tire removed any danger. Speaking as someone who ahs fitted Hundreds (If Not Thousands) of these Rims..... I fail to see how..!! Getting back to your Original Question Re the Torque.. I'm with Paul 100-150 is Plenty.. But I only ever use a Torque Wrench on 10 Stud Wheels.. !! EDIT: One thing I will stress though is ; Loosen But Don't remove the Nuts on the Clamps/Dogs & wack 'em with a Hammer to Loosen the Dogs then remove the Nuts otherwise you may end up wearing dog/Clamp in the face..!! 6 Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Why were the Daytons so popular in Australia? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Hayseed said: EDIT: One thing I will stress though is ; Loosen But Don't remove the Nuts on the Clamps/Dogs & wack 'em with a Hammer to Loosen the Dogs then remove the Nuts otherwise you may end up wearing dog/Clamp in the face..!! This ∆∆∆∆∆∆. I think that is what the most critical aspect is. The tires do NOT need to be deflated. Those clamps will be wedged tight and smacking then loose before removing the nut is the only real danger of taking a dayton rim off. The thread size for the nut is what you need to know the torque for. Some are larger then others and this would take more torque. I never really torqued mine, just the 3/4" impact going around in cross pattern after confirming the rim runs true. I did watch my local tire shop torque them the one time they put new fronts on. 1 Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 Someone had a video of an Auzzie man installing a Dayton type rim on a trailer a while back. (he may have been changing a flat) It was a very detailed simple example of removing and replacing a Dayton (and correct). It was on a trailer if I remember correctly, but the steps he went through apply to anything. The deflating the tire part ??? a tube type with a split rim isn't something a guy with no experience should be playing with when it comes to changing the tire on the rim. As far as the mounted tire on a vehicle , that part is the same as a tubeless. !!!! but.... if changing from tube type split rims to tubeless ??? there's a fairly good chance your hardware may change ( wedges, spacer ) and that's not to say the hardware on the truck already might be shot. In which case no torque or tightening will ever hold them on fast. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydawg Posted August 21, 2022 Author Share Posted August 21, 2022 I got the right rears off,cleaning the hub facings.Is ok to use any lube or anti seize to make things go on smoother,esp the spacer.Thanks. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrsmackpaul Posted August 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Dirtymilkman said: Why were the Daytons so popular in Australia? Because our roads were crap and they are quick to change when you get a flat tyre and they are stronger than a 10 stud Bud type of rim, the Bud rims cracked a lot with our poor roads I think mainly because they are so quick to change Paul 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, skydawg said: I got the right rears off,cleaning the hub facings.Is ok to use any lube or anti seize to make things go on smoother,esp the spacer.Thanks. Make sure they are nice and clean and free of dirty and grease etc, keep them square and slid them on even They should be a reasonably neat fit as the spacer holds the inner dual on while you lift the outer on if that makes sense Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehummell Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 If and when I was changing a Dayton I always used a little block that I would place next to the tire when I was tightening the lug nuts I used a 1/2 air wrench I shot for as true as I could make them when I rotated them. I have seen some jobs that was so bad who ever put the tires and rims on the truck should have been fired. I always loosened the nuts and hit each wedge with my hammer I didn't the first time I changed a tire and the wedge I took the nut off flew about 15 feet just missed me I never made that mistake again. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayseed Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 9 hours ago, Mark T said: Someone had a video of an Auzzie man installing a Dayton type rim on a trailer a while back. (he may have been changing a flat) It was a very detailed simple example of removing and replacing a Dayton (and correct). It was on a trailer if I remember correctly, but the steps he went through apply to anything. The deflating the tire part ??? a tube type with a split rim isn't something a guy with no experience should be playing with when it comes to changing the tire on the rim. As far as the mounted tire on a vehicle , that part is the same as a tubeless. !!!! but.... if changing from tube type split rims to tubeless ??? there's a fairly good chance your hardware may change ( wedges, spacer ) and that's not to say the hardware on the truck already might be shot. In which case no torque or tightening will ever hold them on fast. This one mark..?? Quote "Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that matter...don't mind...And those that mind....don't matter." - Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 sure glad it was mentioned about leaving nuts on but loose and the big hammer smack. have seen wedges fly a long way, it was a "test" took the nuts off stood to the side and railed the rim with a sledge' YES they do fly at great speed and force. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 old style budd wheels with inner and outer nuts always got never-seize; daytons only got lube from WD-40. a lubed thread tightens more when lubed. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swishy Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 My 2 c worth sez: This could/would/should B printer friendly to A4 sheet portrailt 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dirtymilkman Posted August 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2022 Don't forget to always use a tire cage when filling with air! 2 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Hayseed said: This one mark..?? Yes it is. Covers how to do it . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydawg Posted August 22, 2022 Author Share Posted August 22, 2022 Rear tires are mounted and aligned...took all day w/ cleanup/painting the spokes and spacers.Will do the steers if it stops raining today,first precip in almost a month here in NJ. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-507146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAAS Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND DEFLATING TUBE TYPE TIRES THAT HAVE A LOCKRING, I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN A LOCKRING STICK TO THE SPACER AND THE CARNAGE IT CAUSED. TUBELESS TIRES DO NOT NEED THE SAME PRACTICE BUT DO NOT REMOVE THE NUTS COMPLETELY BEFORE THE PRESSURE HAS BEEN RELEASED OFF THE CLAMPS Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-556126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
h67st Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 The only time I ever saw a problem with tube type, the truck sat for years and the inside rim got almost rusted through. When the guy started loosening the nuts the rest of the rim let go and sent shrapnel everywhere. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-556263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Ok I’m not talking about split rims since in this day and age they are beyond rare,but for tube type two piece and three piece rims it would be in your best interest to deflate before removal and only fully inflate after installing on the truck..just my 2cent.. safety first.. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-556264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 I have split rims on my 48 Int. I deflate them. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-556265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
70mackMB Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Where was this picture taken, any idea? The picture itself is funny but look at the kids shirt. What's with that? .....Hippy On 8/21/2022 at 10:19 PM, Dirtymilkman said: Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-556271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heinz Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 hours ago, 70mackMB said: Where was this picture taken, any idea? The picture itself is funny but look at the kids shirt. What's with that? .....Hippy I reverse image searched and saw the earliest it was posted was on Reddit in 2019. No info on where it was taken at all. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70320-torque-for-dayton-rims/#findComment-556273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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