Joey Mack Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Onyx say's it truly... I have those same thought's... He just wrote it professionally.. Damn you Onyx... You are correct Sir.... My pride is true, but I do know when to bow down to the truth..... DAMMIT !!!!!! 😘🤔 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Onyx610 said: That’s crazy! I don’t know much about those but I have heard they are like the worst of the worst in terms of the newer engines. As bad as the MPs can be sometimes I think they are on the top of the list for the best engines. Even Cummins has a lot of issues with their tier 4 engines. Cat was smart and got out of the market. IDK 200 K and hasn't had a light on yet. Respectable power and drivability. Fantastic engine brake. Really lousy tech support from dealers. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I think they get a black eye because nobody is good at doing anything to them Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Onyx say's it truly... I have those same thought's... He just wrote it professionally.. Damn you Onyx... You are correct Sir.... My pride is true, but I do know when to bow down to the truth..... DAMMIT !!!!!! 😘🤔 🤗 haha, sometimes i think emotions run high when the red engine topic comes up. Don’t get me wrong I completely agree with you, mark, and fjh on everything you guys said as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mark T said: I think they get a black eye because nobody is good at doing anything to them Nice to know, I think paccar redesigned something’s from the past engines. They are better now then what they were from what I hear. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, Onyx610 said: As much as it sucks, atleast you guys got a lot of time working on, driving, and getting to hear/see all those older trucks in action. Most people these days didn’t get that opportunity. can I get an "AMEN" . to watch a 318 twin 3 1/2 in stacks turn blue at the stack outlets ; no words to describe the sound and sight . never todays electronic crap. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, mechohaulic said: can I get an "AMEN" . to watch a 318 twin 3 1/2 in stacks turn blue at the stack outlets ; no words to describe the sound and sight . never todays electronic crap. I love it! I can always picture your stories. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 computers definitely have there place in todays world i won't disagree. a robotic computer which looked like an octopus did parts changing inside me repair a bout with cancer.. but to watch someone build horse power in a diesel with only his (or her ) hands and the knowledge in their brain beats any computer to me. was very honored today going to an equiptment dealer which i was advised friday to come back when john is here,"he's 80 yrs old and knows everything". she was right John was old school. a generation sadly leaving the world. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joey Mack Posted October 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2022 Ok, Onyx... I understand your point's.. But... Many guys ran good old push rod MACK engines, and they new how to keep them running, and making their living.. You didnt need to have a boat load of special tools and knowledge to get it done.. and a computer.. now, you have to have all of those, and the luck to find a shop that can fix it.. and then you cross your fingers when you leave the shop, hoping that the CEL doesnt come back on and derate you in 30 minutes or less.. I know i'm losing here but this is my take on this.. jojo 2 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Onyx610 said: I love it! I can always picture your stories. that is a true story , my mentor in building DD is the MECHANIC who built the 318,and the driver a great guy just a little wacky knew there was a time and place to "flame the stacks" LOL 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Ok, Onyx... I understand your point's.. But... Many guys ran good old push rod MACK engines, and they new how to keep them running, and making their living.. You didnt need to have a boat load of special tools and knowledge to get it done.. and a computer.. now, you have to have all of those, and the luck to find a shop that can fix it.. and then you cross your fingers when you leave the shop, hoping that the CEL doesnt come back on and derate you in 30 minutes or less.. I know i'm losing here but this is my take on this.. jojo I love anything pushrod and def a hand built high horsepower blue printed engine. I get that too being I live it when we have to take things to the dealership that’s way over our head. Usually a comeback. Edited October 10, 2022 by Onyx610 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Ok, Onyx... I understand your point's.. But... Many guys ran good old push rod MACK engines, and they new how to keep them running, and making their living.. You didnt need to have a boat load of special tools and knowledge to get it done.. and a computer.. now, you have to have all of those, and the luck to find a shop that can fix it.. and then you cross your fingers when you leave the shop, hoping that the CEL doesnt come back on and derate you in 30 minutes or less.. I know i'm losing here but this is my take on this.. jojo Hopefully there is enough old iron out there to get you to retirement! Joe! We best stop giving away all our secrets here!😂 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Mark T said: I have a Peterbilt now with a Paccar in it. Can't do anything to it, and I don't mean silly stuff like delete. Guy can't even change road speed or anything like that. Gotta go to Paccar. I have to admit though, it does kinda make me think it's like picked up where the gray engine was abandoned !!! DON'T READ THIS POST JOEY !!! Don’t kid yourself I know you’re not! But you only have to get on a creeper and roll under that Pete to see the same dumbass engine mounts bla bla bla! There ain’t nothing easy about doing shit to these either! They hired the engineers from the same schools that Volvo did! just sayin! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Well 'F' from what I am seeing, even if we give away our secrets, they wouldnt know how to use the knowledge.. They are not looking at a Mechanical issue nowadays, they want to plug a laptop in and get the answer.. So .... No.... I'm not concerned.. the knowledge we have will go in the ground with us... jojo 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Mark T said: I have a Peterbilt now with a Paccar in it. Can't do anything to it, and I don't mean silly stuff like delete. Guy can't even change road speed or anything like that. Gotta go to Paccar. I have to admit though, it does kinda make me think it's like picked up where the gray engine was abandoned !!! DON'T READ THIS POST JOEY !!! Don’t kid yourself I know you’re not! But you only have to get on a creeper and roll under that Pete to see the same dumbass engine mounts bla bla bla! There ain’t nothing easy about doing shit to these either! They hired the engineers from the same schools that Volvo did! just sayin! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Well 'F' from what I am seeing, even if we give away our secrets, they wouldnt know how to use the knowledge.. They are not looking at a Mechanical issue nowadays, they want to plug a laptop in and get the answer.. So .... No.... I'm not concerned.. the knowledge we have will go in the ground with us... jojo I got the books! Haha. Applying it may be a different story… 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Well 'F' from what I am seeing, even if we give away our secrets, they wouldnt know how to use the knowledge.. They are not looking at a Mechanical issue nowadays, they want to plug a laptop in and get the answer.. So .... No.... I'm not concerned.. the knowledge we have will go in the ground with us... jojo So if there is such a place as Heaven ; should i have someone put some tools in my coffin!! or maybe some heat resistant wrenches 😇 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, fjh said: Don’t kid yourself I know you’re not! But you only have to get on a creeper and roll under that Pete to see the same dumbass engine mounts bla bla bla! There ain’t nothing easy about doing shit to these either! They hired the engineers from the same schools that Volvo did! just sayin! They look like anything else inside. I ended up getting a look inside it already while doing an oil change ( lol ) I guess there is a reason for not draining the oil out of the plug on the oil pan.. there's one bolt on the pan, if you actually took everything apart to get the pan off....it'd bee several hours Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, mechohaulic said: So if there is such a place as Heaven ; should i have someone put some tools in my coffin!! or maybe some heat resistant wrenches 😇 Feel bad for whoever gets stuck carrying that coffin. Just have them cremate you and bury you in your toolbox. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, Onyx610 said: Feel bad for whoever gets stuck carrying that coffin. Just have them cremate you and bury you in your toolbox. I never gave that idea a thought ;; my luck someone would dump my ashes on the ground and steal my (coffin) toolbox. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) “What’s all this dust in here!?” Proceeds to grab the blow gun…. Edited October 11, 2022 by Onyx610 Spelling 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Onyx610 said: “What’s all this dust in here!?” Proceeds to grab the blow gun…. LMAO now stop that!! 😂 laughing too much i cough uncontrollably .ticker can't take it.. THANKS ALL OF YOU. best time i have is on this forum 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, mechohaulic said: LMAO now stop that!! 😂 laughing too much i cough uncontrollably .ticker can't take it.. THANKS ALL OF YOU. best time i have is on this forum Nice to return the favor. You usually have me dying. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mechohaulic Posted October 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Onyx610 said: I love it! I can always picture your stories. and now i see this guy with an air hose and toolbox with all this dust flying. LOL 1 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, mechohaulic said: and now i see this guy with an air hose and toolbox with all this dust flying. LOL Lol! Waving his hands and spitting. Ahhh god damnit! What is this shit! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70540-mack-427-vs-mp7/page/2/#findComment-511506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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