Joey Mack Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 So true My Yankee brothers... I have been in N.C. for 16 years.. I rarely ever have to break out the torches to loosen bolts.. I got spoiled working on trucks with no rust.. God bless you guys... 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: So true My Yankee brothers... I have been in N.C. for 16 years.. I rarely ever have to break out the torches to loosen bolts.. I got spoiled working on trucks with no rust.. God bless you guys... you have lived both sides of it though. So now you have been spoiled. I do wonder what it’s like working on stuff that doesn’t have rust, pry wouldn’t need half the tools I have…. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackpro Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Back when the CV’s came out I used to hang out in the salesman’s office and watch him spec out dump trucks. The bottom pads were available in urethane and were a $350 option. No one ever wanted to spend the extra money so they always came with the standard rubber bottom pads. However if you ordered the truck from the factory with a 3rd axle( lift axle as we called them) installed at the “Mod center” , the urethane pads were standard. By the time the GU’s came around we went ahead and spec’ed them with the urethane pads . From what I hear from my buddies running out of the quarry, everyone ditched camelbacks and has been running the M-ride for the last 4 years . Had a few issues the first year and a half but that got straightened out and now no one around here wants to go back to camelbacks . 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mackpro said: Back when the CV’s came out I used to hang out in the salesman’s office and watch him spec out dump trucks. The bottom pads were available in urethane and were a $350 option. No one ever wanted to spend the extra money so they always came with the standard rubber bottom pads. However if you ordered the truck from the factory with a 3rd axle( lift axle as we called them) installed at the “Mod center” , the urethane pads were standard. By the time the GU’s came around we went ahead and spec’ed them with the urethane pads . From what I hear from my buddies running out of the quarry, everyone ditched camelbacks and has been running the M-ride for the last 4 years . Had a few issues the first year and a half but that got straightened out and now no one around here wants to go back to camelbacks . I could see them factory for a tri axle. Apparently that M-ride is actually a very nice suspension with great articulation. No one wants to admit or stick it on their truck since it’s a Volvo idea. Edited October 20, 2022 by Onyx610 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Also it’s ALOT lighter Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 it's info like this that makes me feel like some of the older guys, who havent worked on the new stuff.. I dont know about M-Ride.. If it's good, then thats great for owners that need longevity.. jojo Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Let’s see the camel back do this…. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 where do you come up with pics so fast???? isnt that "T Ride" ?? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Never worked on them Joey, but I do know about them….camel back is and always will be the true Mack heavy duty suspension. Volvo gets a bad rep. But they are truly keeping Mack going I believe, even though it’s just a name at this point. I think Mack was just at the end of their time getting on with current standards. Look at international and detroit for example. Other companies have to come and buy them when they can’t meet todays bullshit “standards”. To be honest I think Volvo is turning out to be one of the better of the companies to buy. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 MP8=D13, Mdrive=Ishift, and Mride=Tride 😄 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Got it... Dahhhh I so Silly.... 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Another thread again….see ya in the chat. 🫡 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fjh Posted October 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 12 hours ago, Onyx610 said: Never worked on them Joey, but I do know about them….camel back is and always will be the true Mack heavy duty suspension. Volvo gets a bad rep. But they are truly keeping Mack going I believe, even though it’s just a name at this point. I think Mack was just at the end of their time getting on with current standards. Look at international and detroit for example. Other companies have to come and buy them when they can’t meet todays bullshit “standards”. To be honest I think Volvo is turning out to be one of the better of the companies to buy. Unfortunately in my opinion you are correct on all counts there Onyx ! That V/ M ride is one of the better ideas The V brand applied to the trucks ! The only weak spot is the axle pedestals made of rubber with a safety chain inside the bonded rubber breaks free and the block tends to dance around on top! we sold a fare few MR Garbage packers with this stuff it was standing up quite well ! I had several customers that brought some older Volvo dump trucks in for inspection Every six months and this was a fairly common occurrence ! Volvo ran this set up for a fair few years be for they offered it up on the Mack brand ! You don't want to take advantage of that pictured articulation to much OR you will soon be replacing the block ends on a regular basis. just an observation! 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, fjh said: Unfortunately in my opinion you are correct on all counts there Onyx ! That V/ M ride is one of the better ideas The V brand applied to the trucks ! The only weak spot is the axle pedestals made of rubber with a safety chain inside the bonded rubber breaks free and the block tends to dance around on top! we sold a fare few MR Garbage packers with this stuff it was standing up quite well ! I had several customers that brought some older Volvo dump trucks in for inspection Every six months and this was a fairly common occurrence ! Volvo ran this set up for a fair few years be for they offered it up on the Mack brand ! You don't want to take advantage of that pictured articulation to much OR you will soon be replacing the block ends on a regular basis. just an observation! I’m not right very often and really wish I wasn’t right with all this Mack/Volvo stuff. I don’t want to sound like a Volvo fanboy but it is what it is you know? I wish Mack was still Mack from Allentown, Pa. Hell I’d even take the Renault owned Mack. Sounds like you had a fair bit of experience with this suspension and surprisingly like it haha. You don’t see many out on the road. Are those axle pedestals the issue that was resolved a couple years later after they came out that Mackpro was talking about? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 49 minutes ago, Onyx610 said: I’m not right very often and really wish I wasn’t right with all this Mack/Volvo stuff. I don’t want to sound like a Volvo fanboy but it is what it is you know? I wish Mack was still Mack from Allentown, Pa. Hell I’d even take the Renault owned Mack. Sounds like you had a fair bit of experience with this suspension and surprisingly like it haha. You don’t see many out on the road. Are those axle pedestals the issue that was resolved a couple years later after they came out that Mackpro was talking about? Very likely I believe the chain inside them was added for safety ! think that was the added fail safe! Pro could elaborate I stand corrected if this isn't the case ! Not a fan of the torque rod set up on these how ever ................ It doesn't MATTER WHAT I THINK! 😂 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackpro Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 The weak-link we saw on the original ones was where the top V torque rod was attached to the top of the Diff carrier. They did some minor updates then a couple years ago finally did a major diff carrier housing re-design and this solved the issue for good. The only problem I have heard is where the V torque rod attaches to the frame . The bolts ( 2 bolts on each side) have been known to break in extreme loaded off road conditions. Theses are GU/GR tri axles max loaded 80,000 pounds+ on rough job sites. The bolts will break on one side and usually on the front drive. This usually tweaks the V torque rod where you can’t get the new bolts to line up and the V torque rod has to be replaced. We always replaced all the bolts while we were there. This was about 2-3 years ago . I have not heard of any problems since. I have only heard of one with a broken leaf spring , a young boy at the shop changed it in less than 3 hours. All in all it is a good set up even though I mostly saw the bad side of them. As I said earlier, all my dump truck buddies have no interest in going back to camelbacks. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 That suspension has been around for a while . If I remember correctly it had the most articulation of anything at the time (now TufTrac is close) They were marketed as "The Gripper" or something like that. That was back when Volvos were really homely. M Ride with double reduction drive axles, pretty hard to beat in the back of something going through soggy uneven ground. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I ain't no truck driver Have no real world experience I can only offer up the stuff I hear from the customers I have worked with over the years! The few customers that had the V ride set up Liked it! As you can see by the pic it has Good Flex as the four wheelers call it! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onyx610 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 19 hours ago, Mark T said: That suspension has been around for a while . If I remember correctly it had the most articulation of anything at the time (now TufTrac is close) They were marketed as "The Gripper" or something like that. That was back when Volvos were really homely. M Ride with double reduction drive axles, pretty hard to beat in the back of something going through soggy uneven ground. Sounds like maybe a good option for doubleframe to look into on one of his next trucks. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/70590-mack-granite-insulator-pads/page/2/#findComment-513169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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