98 Massey Ferguson/ Detroit Diesel

[carlotpilot]

I noticed that 

[theakerstwo]

I remember when most all road trucks had a DD or cummins or a mack for power.Cat was not in the game till later.I remember here when the cat dealer still had a 4000 white that they had installed a cat engine in it.I would say this happened maybe in the later 50s.But i remember seeing it in 65.

[Bullheaded]

The thing with me is I have a friend that is a 2 stroke Detroit expert, so if I get one of those Massey's he can make her run strong. Would be a cool tractor to take to the local fairs and antique pulls.

In this area where I grew up, 2 stroke Detroits were by far the most popular engine by far back in the day. When I was young almost every truck around here had a Detroit and many of the loaders and dozers were Terex with Detroits and Champion motor graders with Detroits.

[67RModel]

There was a single cylinder Detroit too. A 1-53 and a 1-71. I think there were just used in generator sets for the military. Very few made and hardly any left. They might was well be made out of solid gold because if you find one that is how much the person will want for it. 

[mechohaulic]

the knowledge on this site is priceless !! never knew there was a single cyl DD.  bet that sounds as good or better then an ole hit/ miss engine.

[67RModel]

 

 

[tjc transport]

50 minutes ago, 67RModel said:

There was a single cylinder Detroit too. A 1-53 and a 1-71. I think there were just used in generator sets for the military. Very few made and hardly any left. They might was well be made out of solid gold because if you find one that is how much the person will want for it. 

Many many moons ago a friend 2 towns over had a 1-71 powered pump on the farm for water.

It ran pretty much nonstop for 50 years, only shutting off for oul changes..

And it still purred and used very little oil when the farm was sold and warehouse was built there.

There was a line of people trying to get it, but the builder scrapped it instead.

[theakerstwo]

I have seen a few 71 but have never seen a single 53.  I have seen 3  4 51 engines. A 51 series has no valves in the head.

[mrsmackpaul]

Can a Detroit really purr ??

Dunno if purring is how I would describe a screamer

I wonder at truck stops and the like with condom vending machines in the blokes dunnies if the signs on the machines came from 2 stroke screamers 

"If she's a moaner it will make her a screamer"

"If she's a screamer it will get you arrested"

I cant remember what the first level ribbed performance did to her 🤔

Then they had the UD frpm Japan that had 2 strokes made that were loosely based on the Detroit 2 stroke, they were called the "Hiroshima Screamers" in Australia 

Foden (best of British brand of truck) tried to make a 2 stroke screamer that were never much good for Australia 

Commer (another British breed) made a 2 stroke horizontally opposed or was it imposed 3 cylinder 6 piston super charged 2 stroke known  as Commer Knockers

These had a really good reputation and were used on line haul operations in Australia for many years 

But the GM was the champion and set the bench mark for all others to follow

 

[tjc transport]

Paul, the 1-71 pump engines only ran 1,200 RPM and made around 15 HP or so..

sounds more like a hit n miss engine at idle, and more like a single cylinder briggs and stratton at speed than a Detroit. 

on edit:   i just watched the video. that one has an electric start. my friends was hand crank only.

[Bullheaded]

8 hours ago, 67RModel said:

There was a single cylinder Detroit too. A 1-53 and a 1-71. I think there were just used in generator sets for the military. Very few made and hardly any left. They might was well be made out of solid gold because if you find one that is how much the person will want for it. 

Well now I need one of those to repower one of the two 1971 Massey Ferguson 7 lawn tractors I have!!

[1961H67]

I Never knew about the 1 cylinder! Thanks for the info! Back in the day they would put Detroits in anything, The fellow that had my LTH was a big Terex fan, his nephew said in the 60s he repowerd every truck he used in Alaska with a Detroit. A friend of mine has a B 81 with a 6-71 in it ( I’m trying to trade him out of it) . This was our “Hot” Super 99 GM pulling tractor, We kept it looking rough, but it was hard to beat. 

[mrsmackpaul]

I have been told and ridden some of the B model Macks sold in Australia that had 8V71 from the factory

I was told this was the case, they still had the quad box and were special orders for Mayne Nickless

If this link works, they had the large aluminium radiator amd still had B 61 badge on the bonnet (hood for you lot)

Not my photo but I believe this how they looked new

They went okay but ran out of legs at 65 MPH

Dunno if it is true about been ordered new like that with the 8V71 or not but that was what I was told by the driver

No matter it sounded the goods coming down a big hill on the jakes, certainly echoed around the joint 

 

Paul

[67RModel]

10 hours ago, 1961H67 said:

A friend of mine has a B 81 with a 6-71 in it ( I’m trying to trade him out of it) .

Is that a repower or original engine? I'm guessing a repower since its a B81. A vendor engine would be number B8XX I think. What trans is in it?

[1961H67]

Yes it’s a repower , it has a quadraplex in it , I have never run the vin to find out what engine it originally had. Probably get interested if I bought it, I’ve been working on him for 5 years to sell it . He says he really doesn’t want to sell it right now,,, and I’ll have to live to 120 to finish what I already have,, so he’s probably doing me a favor. 

[1961H67]

A few more old tractors we have collected, over the years. Back when my Dad was living and my Son was a teenager we went to a tractor pull every weekend in the summer, we only go about 2 times a year now, I mainly kept some smaller antique pullers in case my grandson (8) wants to later on .1943 Farmall , the picture is the same tractor, same spot, my son at 6 and my grandson at 7 , 26 years apart.  1938 Oliver , 1952 Ferguson 30 , picture of my Son & Grandson. All these old tractors have lots of memories, We restored all of them, a family hobby. 

[1961H67]

[Dirtymilkman]

I always wanted one of those ford 9n's with the Funk repower flathead v8 kit. 

[Bullheaded]

On 3/21/2023 at 6:21 PM, Dirtymilkman said:

I always wanted one of those ford 9n's with the Funk repower flathead v8 kit. 

I'm so bummed out. I missed out on one here. It was museum quality. Every nut and bolt was polished, had a flathead V8. Saw it at out local tractor parade and then found out the owner passed away just after. Someone called me and told me it was for sale for 10 thousand Canadian.

But I was still in the trucking business and couldn't afford 10 grand, LOL

If I had the mining job I have now I would have jumped on that in a heart beat.

[Dirtymilkman]

That would have been pretty sweet. They are pretty rare. 

[1961H67]

The Flathead V8s are a nice touch! Lol on the Trucking Business,, My Dad used to give advice on Trucking, He would say “ The way to make a Small fortune in the Trucking Business is to Start with a Big One “ ! 

[mrsmackpaul]

Is this what you jokers had in mind ??

 

Paul 

 

[tjc transport]

that ain't got not detroit in it!!!!  😁

[mechohaulic]

no DD but one fine lookin show piece.  got caught up in listening to the earlier post of the single cyl  DD running. what a sound (especially compared to the bellering sound the wife makes )LOL

[1961H67]

That’s the most Detailed Tractor I’ve ever seen! A few years ago I saw a guy bring a few of those size tractors to a local show,, he had went far and beyond that Flathead Ford kit,, he had a 302 Ford in one and a Chevy V8 in a 30 Ferguson the best I can remember,, All very nice.