mrsmackpaul Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 So s ome quick Googling and this is a screen shot and link to a the second page I looked at, you'll get the drift of what Im on about pretty quick https://www.excavator.expert/en/Track-chain-Dozers-JOHN-DEERE-450-26332p.html This gives you all the measurements to check on the chains condition, also note that when you measure "A", multiply it by say 3 or 4 or maybe more and measure the length of 3 or 4 links Stick your hand in the guts of it all and feel the bush, if it is worn only on one side the pins haven't been turned which means that by turning the pins and bushes you can wear the opposite side and get twice the life out of the chains There will be similar diagrams for sprockets and rollers This the only way you can tell the true condition the walking gear Now I don't say any of this so it can be used to screw the seller on the price, just so you have a good idea of what your getting into Good luck with this, anything on steel tracks to me is fun Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 5 hours ago, Joey Mack said: Yeah,,,. How did I get pulled into this one?? 💕 it's just the price you pay when your expertise is known world wide. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) Mech... You are more full of sh!t than a Christmas Turkey.... Luv U Guy's... Edited April 17, 2023 by Joey Mack Pour sperring 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 outta likes already !!! compliments always appreciated >LMAO😂. now i'm confused (again) thought turkeys were for Thanksgiving . who's taken the hit for going off topic now !! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Yeah,,, Here in N.C., they taught that phrase to this Yankee.. I didnt dare question them about it, just laugh along.. Oh yeah,, I sidetracked this one too... Dammit !!! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Yeah,,, Here in N.C., they taught that phrase to this Yankee.. I didnt dare question them about it, just laugh along.. Oh yeah,, I sidetracked this one too... Dammit !!! AND IT ONLY TOK TWO PAGES!!!! 2 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share Posted April 18, 2023 Well if I indeed get this!the machine will be able to move all the turkey shit you guys can produce here! Found a pin for the missing pin on the lower attach point by the way! There back on topic!🤨 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 20 hours ago, fjh said: Well if I indeed get this!the machine will be able to move all the turkey shit you guys can produce here! Found a pin for the missing pin on the lower attach point by the way! There back on topic!🤨 and with the backhoe , you can dig a deep hole for burying the sh-t ; cause we all know it gets pretty deep at times around here. good news on the pin; hopefully a little searching will turn up the rear counter weight. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 Wouldn’t be a dealbreaker if we don’t turn up one! She doesn’t no where the operator seat went either! Might be a Miller 211 project! My Princess auto store here has lots of seats! don't aproove of burying good soil enrichment!😂best leave things as they are!😀 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 On 4/19/2023 at 7:40 AM, mechohaulic said: and with the backhoe , you can dig a deep hole for burying the sh-t ; cause we all know it gets pretty deep at times around here. good news on the pin; hopefully a little searching will turn up the rear counter weight. So I have run across a case 4x4 580k I’m going to look at tomorrow still not to confident on buying a track machine!too much bull work when shit goes wrong! It’s twice the money but more along the lines of what I’d like and a little lighter foot print! 4cyl Cummins I believe ! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 depending on the year that 580 may have a perkins engine in it. 1 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 case 580 definitely a more versatile machine . rubber tires vs tracks advantage depending on goals and objectives hoping for. my situation leans more towards a 450/555 track machine. the jd 1450 with loader I did the clutch on was promising ; parts availability scary. can really cut some job time with a cat 977 , Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 ya can cut even more time with a cat 994!! 1 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 22, 2023 Author Share Posted April 22, 2023 13 hours ago, mechohaulic said: case 580 definitely a more versatile machine . rubber tires vs tracks advantage depending on goals and objectives hoping for. my situation leans more towards a 450/555 track machine. the jd 1450 with loader I did the clutch on was promising ; parts availability scary. can really cut some job time with a cat 977 , Yup I think For what I want to do the Case would be a smarter move and the chances of getting parts is far more likely! As for Terrys comment there I'm confident with either or Engine Perkins is a Good power plant too! My Davey brown is Perkins and has been bullet proof ! That said it only has 4000 hrs on it but the work I have been doing with it has been more brutal than any farm work by far! The case will help take the pressure off Davey some what, the heaver work now be passed off to the Case! however its one more Machine to look after! And , The price of having land to look after! Call it the strata Fee to a town dweller !😅 As a side note I intend on mounting the hoe as a gesture to the woman that is dealing with her husband with dementia as she will need to sell this unit to some one and if the hoe is mounted it will be an easier sell for her ! Having Gone thru the situation she's in recently our selves, I know any extra help is a bonus Its quite a big struggle! Any way if things don't work out with the case I may take the JD ! We will See! Thanx for your comments Guys! 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mechohaulic Posted April 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2023 8 hours ago, tjc transport said: ya can cut even more time with a cat 994!! NOPE :: a 994 rubber tire NG for going in to brush around tooooo many trees LMAO🤣 I know take trees down;;; can't I only rent here. not that landlords care of the improvements.. also a gated driveway . 994 won't go between. now a 345 excavator would make short work of the stone wall gates AND the trees. 😂 would be almost as much fun as the blizzard of '78 ;; spent days after on a TD25 bushing snow into the river as triaxles brought it in. owner of a near by diner comes over ask if I could "plow" his parking lot in between loads. I says where should i put it . he points to a pile of snow : says over there. OK spring time that "pile" was what was left of a car. guess roof couldn't take load factor of dozer. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 23, 2023 Author Share Posted April 23, 2023 OK So I bring the rig home next weekend if all goes well ! The 580 has been looked after ! All the glass is intact the pins in the 41 bucket are fairly tight. the hoe pins have some wear but that is to be expected! I Am stoked to have found this machine! It is the Cummins engine not sure if its turboed don't really care to much! horse power is not going to be much of an issue here for me ! not sure of the year again it don't mater its the machine of my dreams basically for a decent price! $ 21000 these have been priced way up there here , all I have looked at have been over $30000 and beat to shit! So Any pointers are appreciated! One of my old customers is going to PU the Machine its a bit far for me to road it! It is registered for road use however Not interested in driving it 35 miles! Also we have to pass the scales I'm not to eager to poke a bear with a stick! if you know what I mean! Thanx for input so far Guys! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Well done and hope it all goes to plan for you Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fjh Posted April 23, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, mrsmackpaul said: Well done and hope it all goes to plan for you Paul All will be good I am confident in my decision ! I went and assembled the hoe to the cat this morning and everything operates OK but most of the pins and stuff are quite loose I had my mind made up before I went to install this it wasn't the machine for me! But I wanted to help out by mounting it to the machine to enable her to easier sell it She should be asking way less for it ! 12000 way to much ! Maybe 8000 Scrap its worth 2000 Lot more work involved here than I'm prepared to offer up! Want to be able to work it, not work on it all the time! Would be just patchin the patches it would be endless! 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I totaly understand your statement about working it, rather than working on it... AMEN... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-529836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 So I got to go and operate the machine a bit last nite it operates ok ! I observed that the boom lift function didn't seem to have the power of the rest of the functions other wise it seemed to be good! The boom cyl has a leak at the mount end I presume it has a crack in it it apears that they tried to weld it but it still leaks a tad! I may pull it off when I get it home and see if I can weld it up properly as its almost impossible to weld stuff in place with oil oozing from it ! So will keep you guys updated if your interested ! Real stoked about geting it home Unfortunately it looks like I will be replacing a fan belt and maybe a tensioner in a bit a bit of a dogs breakfast to change However! Is what it is! Better than doing track rollers and broken track springs on a JD! Just sayin! 😅 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-530093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 I had a international 260A excellent machine one and only problem the rear boom hyd also. turn table known for loss of power. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-530095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackey58 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Is it a extend a hoe or normal boom on thr back Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-530727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavCut Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 How about some photos @fjh? I’d love to have a 530 or 580 of some vintage but I can’t really justify it on my 0.25 acre in town lot… 😎 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-530776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted May 4, 2023 Author Share Posted May 4, 2023 17 hours ago, mackey58 said: Is it a extend a hoe or normal boom on thr back Extendahoe yup! Ya I will post some stuff I got a few questions also! Has an extra hole where the buckets attach wondering what it’s for! A clean up and digging bucket the 4-1 needs some cutting edge on the main frame portion needs some repair got me a bit of a plan for that! Nothing the 211 won’t take care of😅 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-530782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted May 4, 2023 Author Share Posted May 4, 2023 15 hours ago, DavCut said: How about some photos @fjh? I’d love to have a 530 or 580 of some vintage but I can’t really justify it on my 0.25 acre in town lot… 😎 So in picture two you see the extra pin hole toward the back? Is this to change the angle of the bucket or is it for something else? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72738-jd-450b-crawler-loader-back-hoe/page/2/#findComment-530814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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