67RModel Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Out of curiosity related to the other thread on here about automatics I was on TruckPaper trying to see how may trucks are for sale with autos vs manuals (there are more autos for sale). In the process of doing that I stumbled across a listing for a brand new 3 axle Peterbilt 389 dump truck. I included the link to it below. The price is absolute lunacy: $319,500. For a 15' long, steel body, tri axle, dump truck? Now whoever buys it needs to pony up and additional $38,340 in Federal Excise Tax. And possibly pony up an additional $19,170 in state sales tax. So definitely $357,840 or potentially $377,010 out the door. WTF? For a 3 axle dump truck? I want to meet the guy who buys it. https://www.truckpaper.com/listing/for-sale/217915375/2023-peterbilt-389-dump-trucks Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyRebel Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Hell, that's only 10x's what I paid for my Mack...🤑🤑🤑 Just the excise taxes alone on that Petercar exceeds the out-the-door price I paid.🙃 Quote When approaching a 4-way stop, the vehicle with the biggest tires has the right of way! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fjh Posted April 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2023 Whats wrong with that ?😡 A guy should be able to make back his money in thirty years or so And make a good living of 50 bucks a day take home!🤔 Good purchase AND you have all the prestige of owning a PETE! Everything a guy would want! Looking Cool while going broke! The Banks And the government will make money at your expense BE proud! Keep the economy rolling! 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeH Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 You're paying for the 605 hp. That's only about $530 per hp... 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
67RModel Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share Posted April 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, fjh said: The Banks And the government will make money at your expense Right on. The gubbermint gets their cut before you get the keys. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 my 2022 Kenworth T880 was $239,000 delivered with body, high lift gate, and pintle hitch attached plumbed for air brakes. the 2023 on order was quoted at $265 for cab chassis. dealer is pushing for signed contract and wanting $10,000 deposit. we are waiting for the price to drop 80-90 grand. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 2 hours ago, tjc transport said: my 2022 Kenworth T880 was $239,000 delivered with body, high lift gate, and pintle hitch attached plumbed for air brakes. the 2023 on order was quoted at $265 for cab chassis. dealer is pushing for signed contract and wanting $10,000 deposit. we are waiting for the price to drop 80-90 grand. Your gonna have a long wait..🤔 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 the price already dropped 35 grand in the past two months. i am hoping by september it will be back down around 185 like the 2022 cab chassis was,. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 2 hours ago, tjc transport said: my 2022 Kenworth T880 was $239,000 delivered with body, high lift gate, and pintle hitch attached plumbed for air brakes. the 2023 on order was quoted at $265 for cab chassis. dealer is pushing for signed contract and wanting $10,000 deposit. we are waiting for the price to drop 80-90 grand. 80-90 grand ? I wouldn't get my hopes up. Even if it did, trucks'd be get'n paid $70.00/hour then. Typical Jersey big power crossmemberless steel body dump truck will be around 300K and a aluminum body one around 320. The price of them is insanity. A nice daycab tractor is easily over 250K. Who is it that's make'n the money to afford these ? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, Mark T said: 23 minutes ago, Mark T said: 80-90 grand ? I wouldn't get my hopes up. Even if it did, trucks'd be get'n paid $70.00/hour then. Typical Jersey big power crossmemberless steel body dump truck will be around 300K and a aluminum body one around 320. The price of them is insanity. A nice daycab tractor is easily over 250K. Who is it that's make'n the money to afford these ? Are u saying dump trucks in NJ are working for 70 an hour? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, MACKS said: No. I'm saying for the price to drop that much for a new one, everything else would need to drop to ( for whatever reason) 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Mark T said: 80-90 grand ? I wouldn't get my hopes up. Even if it did, trucks'd be get'n paid $70.00/hour then. Typical Jersey big power crossmemberless steel body dump truck will be around 300K and a aluminum body one around 320. The price of them is insanity. A nice daycab tractor is easily over 250K. Who is it that's make'n the money to afford these ? the 2022 was $185,000 for the cab chassis, and $239,000 delivered. level 3 leather interior, navplus with 6 speakers, 9 way adjustable heated/AC seats, power/heated mirrors, steering pusher axle, 425 front floater tires, dura-bright alcoa 24.5 rims, 565HP X15 cummins, allison RDS 4500 trans, 4.56 gear meritor rears, meritor steering axle, disc brakes on steering and pusher axle, full digital instrument cluster, and a bunch of other things i can not think of rite now. the 18.5 foot 1/4 inch hardox 450 steel body with high lift gate was $54,000 installed and painted. . Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joey Mack Posted April 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2023 I just looked at this thread again and showed my wife the link to the Peterbuilt.. Her word's,,,, Holy F@*k!!! I don't know how you guys do it?? I have only bought 1 truck a '99 Century Class.. $23,000.00 17years ago.. I can not believe these crazy prices.. I don't have any smart a$$ comments,, I truly cringe inside just thinking about all of you that work hard in trucking and may have to buy these P.O.S. trucks for 2 1/2 times what they are worth.. I don't know what to say, other than, God Bless ALL of You.. The trucking industry is a Proud group. You guy's keep America Supplied !!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Joey, i remember when a brand new mack DM800 was $60,000. with air conditioning, air seat, and 350 engine with twin stick and 58,000 lb rears!! 1 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 The prices are really not out of sink with everything else when u think about it,price a new f-250 superduty with a few bells and whistles on it and most of those are just daily drivers,owners don’t make a dime with them working,and it’s just a pickup truck..🤔 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 I agree MACKS... but this crap happened less than 3 years ago, and the costs rose very fast.. How can you recover from the first price hike, before the second price hike, and so-on?? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 The guy that has the Pete odviously ! I hear they pay more money if you drive a Pete!🤨 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: I agree MACKS... but this crap happened less than 3 years ago, and the costs rose very fast.. How can you recover from the first price hike, before the second price hike, and so-on?? Don’t know I’m in dump trucking and the only people buying new trucks are not trucking companies but paving or excavating company’s that are doin really well,they are pretty much off limits for an owner operator.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 I guess that is why I still take care of one of my old customers.. he and his brother have 4 trucks, 2 Macks a KW and a Pete mixer truck turned quad axle.. The company that I build engines for, continues to buy new Quads.. Truth is, as a mechanic, I didnt deal with the business end, so I dont really know how much a company is willing to spend and make a profit... but my feelings of concern remain.. I'm glad you are doing good.. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, tjc transport said: the 2022 was $185,000 for the cab chassis, and $239,000 delivered. level 3 leather interior, navplus with 6 speakers, 9 way adjustable heated/AC seats, power/heated mirrors, steering pusher axle, 425 front floater tires, dura-bright alcoa 24.5 rims, 565HP X15 cummins, allison RDS 4500 trans, 4.56 gear meritor rears, meritor steering axle, disc brakes on steering and pusher axle, full digital instrument cluster, and a bunch of other things i can not think of rite now. the 18.5 foot 1/4 inch hardox 450 steel body with high lift gate was $54,000 installed and painted. . That same truck would be another 50 K right now, and that's if you can get it. Prices have gone nuts. Even used ones, price is unbelievably high Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 9 hours ago, Mark T said: That same truck would be another 50 K right now, and that's if you can get it. Prices have gone nuts. Even used ones, price is unbelievably high i agree. that is why we are waiting for the price to come down more. the 2015 Pete 348 tandem with 170k miles sold for $115k and the 2016 T880 with 125k miles on it sold for $155,000 last spring. the 2019 with 90k miles sold for $190,000 in September. we were not going to sell, but when people offer stupid money for 6 and 7 year old trucks, ya let them go. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bullheaded Posted April 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2023 It's over man. And why I'm so bitter with life now. had to give up the only thing I ever wanted to do....trucking. But I'll never get another one now. Between those prices, the new regs and the new drivers on the road......no thanks. I just saw a listing here in Canada for a USED Pete with a high rise bunk. Said "Heavy Haul Tractor" but it had a Paccar MX510 engine and 40 rears 🤣 But anyway....it had 300 and some thousand miles on it and the crack head was asking $220,000. Bahahahaha. I'll give you $70,000 for it bud. LOL 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 i see them here all the time too. 7-8 year old trucks with 5-800k mile on them for 150-200 grand. yea, smoke another bowl of crack. but i guess that is why people are willing to pony up new price for our trucks. besides the fact they know our trucks are maintained better than a "new" truck. oil gets changed every 3 months, which works out to around every 5-6 thousand miles. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 You have to wonder with rising interest rates and more and more places not wanting the older trucks how long the used market will stay like it is. I don't see any substantial rise in trucking rates that goes along with cost of equipment. Then there's the cost of drivers. Between the money one costs and the return you get for that money ??? Doesn't seem like it can go on like that for smaller for hire carriers. 300 K for a dump truck..... to even approach the money to pay for it, it'd be worn out in two or three years. Then there's the finding someone to work on them. (same story) Dealer thinks nothing of keeping the truck for weeks . Name of this thread is very accurate. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 we are now at $110 per hour and travel time over 30 minutes for the triaxles. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/72744-a-new-level-of-insanity/#findComment-529575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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