Geoff Weeks Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 58 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Caps on steer axles ?? Ok, Yes they are! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Geoff Weeks said: I've even heard people say "Spokes on the steer are illegal"! Now I hear guys saying multi piece rims are illegal. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago I could declare my cat is a "certified welder" and it would be true 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Joseph Cummings said: Now I hear guys saying multi piece rims are illegal. Heard that also, I just laugh at them, Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago (edited) I have many "tire shops" say multi-piece rims are "Illegal" I always correct them, They are not Illegal, you may refuse to work on if you chose, but that isn't the same thing, Be honest about what you are doing. Not even the Firestone RH 5 deg (widowmaker) is illegal, it and all multi-piece rims/wheels were "recommended" to be made Illegal by the Insurance Institute, and insurance trade group, but they have no standing to make law. The Firestone is the only one I don't like to do. There is no good way to be sure it is going to stay together after all these years. The way they latch together is also where the most rust and weakening takes place. Edited 15 hours ago by Geoff Weeks Add info Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago Damn. Ok guys. The only one i heard was no caps on steer axles, no biggie, just asking. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, Joey Mack said: Damn. Ok guys. The only one i heard was no caps on steer axles, no biggie, just asking. That is an extremely common one and many police inspectors get it wrong. It was something at the CVSA class the instructor harped on. It only applies to buses. The old Goodyear rim that splits along the valve stem slot is another rim that most young inspectors get wrong. The claim the rim is cracked all the way through! Ok, what is holding then? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago Isnt that the rim style on my KB ? They are true split rims.. I understand them, knowing the ring holds it all together and the air is in a tube.. im not eloquent, but i get it, and have no fear of doing tire work on that style. Hell, dont need to take the rim of for front or outer tire change or tube repair. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Geoff Weeks said: That is an extremely common one and many police inspectors get it wrong. It was something at the CVSA class the instructor harped on. It only applies to buses. The old Goodyear rim that splits along the valve stem slot is another rim that most young inspectors get wrong. The claim the rim is cracked all the way through! Ok, what is holding then? Yeah you used a block of wood on the floor to offset the split Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mattb73lt Posted 15 hours ago Popular Post Share Posted 15 hours ago The only vehicles that I know of that can't run caps on the steer axle are school busses. I only have hobby trucks, but I don't run caps on the steer axle, rear axle(s) ok but not up front. That's just me. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Isnt that the rim style on my KB ? They are true split rims.. I understand them, knowing the ring holds it all together and the air is in a tube.. im not eloquent, but i get it, and have no fear of doing tire work on that style. Hell, dont need to take the rim of for front or outer tire change or tube repair. Not exactly, the spokes force the rim out and that is countered by the solid lock ring, holding it from expanding. To dismount, you have to remove deflate (or deflate and remove) break the bead, place on a block near the split, then you put a rim tool into the slot, and pry the rim in under itself, pealing it away from the tire. When mounting, the safest is to air up after mounting to the spoke, the spoke will expand the rim, bringing the ends into alignment and holding until air pressure can hold it. I have a bunch on my K's, I still prefer split lock ring style, but I restored a bunch and mounted tires on. It was hard to find lock-ring style in narrow enough width. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago If only I could get tires......1200/24 tube type just cant be found in Ireland..... Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago Ok. Well when i did clean my wheels and break them down, i did have them off. Guess i should study better 😝 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 19 minutes ago, mattb73lt said: The only vehicles that I know of that can't run caps on the steer axle are school busses. I only have hobby trucks, but I don't run caps on the steer axle, rear axle(s) ok but not up front. That's just me. If you look at the regulation in the "green book" or the stuff J.C posted doesn't make a distinction between school buses and other buses. In my Green Book of the Federal Regulation, it uses the term "Passenger Carrying Vehicle. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 1 minute ago, Geoff Weeks said: If you look at the regulation in the "green book" or the stuff J.C posted doesn't make a distinction between school buses and other buses. In my Green Book of the Federal Regulation, it uses the term "Passenger Carrying Vehicle. Yeah, I assumed "busses" in general, I'm just more familiar with school busses. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago I just realized it was my 58 power wagon army truck that i pulled the tires off with the rims still mounted, not the KB.. anyway, i was smart enough to not get hurt.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 3 minutes ago, cruiseliner64 said: If only I could get tires......1200/24 tube type just cant be found in Ireland..... Paul Paul, I would order those tires you posted. The Mfg own website lists them as TT or tube type. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Geoff Weeks said: Paul, I would order those tires you posted. The Mfg own website lists them as TT or tube type. Thought about doing just that but I want to be sure with the steers anyway.If the rears blow its a hassle but of the steers blow....well..... I was in contact with a guy today who said army tires in that size should be available but would be very rough rideing.Hes getting me a contact number of a crane hire company who use tires in that size. Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 49 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Isnt that the rim style on my KB ? They are true split rims.. I understand them, knowing the ring holds it all together and the air is in a tube.. im not eloquent, but i get it, and have no fear of doing tire work on that style. Hell, dont need to take the rim of for front or outer tire change or tube repair. Goodyear "KW K" rim 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joseph Cummings Posted 14 hours ago Popular Post Share Posted 14 hours ago Firestone RH5 "windowmaker" Similar wheel also produced by Kelsey Hayes, also dangerous 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 12 hours ago, mattb73lt said: The only vehicles that I know of that can't run caps on the steer axle are school busses. I only have hobby trucks, but I don't run caps on the steer axle, rear axle(s) ok but not up front. That's just me. it is against the law to run recaps on the steer axle in New Jersey. i know a guy that had his truck red stickered and impounded during a roadside inspection in the scalehouse two years ago because of recaps on steer axle. the truck was not allowed to leave the impound yard until the front tires were changed. and he got a heavy fine for it too. i think the fine was $2,000. plus tow and storage. it ended up costing him close to $5,000 for not listening to us about the caps on steer axle. and it is s violation of most insurance companies rules too. which means if you run recaps on the steer ale and have a accident, they can deny all claims. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) I find that very hard to believe! Show me in writing where your insurance company says that! J.C. has posted the federal regs straight from the book, N.J. couldn't have restrictions that the feds don't and receive hiway funds. It is why STAA rules are in place that standardize loads and equipment nation wide for trucks. Regrooved tires is another story. they are illegal over a set weight. Show me the citation or it is just another truckers story! "I heard" but didn't happen to me". There are plenty of reasons why a truck could be "downed" and need things changed on the front axle, and I can see a guy not wanting to admit to poor maintenance and make up a story about caps, but I would have to see it in writing to believe it. It is also possible the inspector doesn't know his job, but that should be sorted out in court. Edited 1 hour ago by Geoff Weeks Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Interesting post. So a capped steer tire would have been sold as a trailer tire, or an 'all position' tire ? I didnt know about weight limits for regrooved tires. I would assume Schneider Natl'. knew the ruling there... I drove cab overs for them from mid '98- late '99, and i saw them using an iron to trace out the grooves and sipes . I thought it was pretty neat at the time. I do see, 'regrooveable' cast in to the sidewall of some drive tires.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago You can get caps in many tread designs. I used to get them in "goodyear 159" type rib tread, that I ran in all positions. I didn't run "lugs" on the drives. If I remember I'll take a picture on the brand new caps on the rear of my Marmon with 0 miles. The weight limit on re-grooved only applied to steer position. Drive and trailer could be used to the full weight rating of the tire. Re grooved on steering is limited to somewhere around 4K lbs (I don't remember the exact figure) but for just about all purposes, a re-grooveable tire, would fall above that limit when on a steer axle. I guess maybe my K front axle is under that empty, not sure loaded. The "Pumpkin" likely was putting them on trailers, where they could take 6K each tire. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago My bad, I forgot I changed capper, when I moved Michelin XZE tread. Tire is a 10Rx20 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73081-finally-some-dm-progress/page/47/#findComment-570094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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