JMetz Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) Hello, recently acquired a nice old Mack cabover to use on my farm. It’s an all Mack one (Mack 350, Mack 9 speed and Mack rears). Someone removed the bulldog off the front. I bought a used bulldog off eBay but still need the base. Truck has the bracket mounted, with two holes just a bit wider than my bulldogs feet. Anyone know what the part number is for the correct base to go on my truck? Edited December 4, 2023 by JMetz Add pic 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackaholic Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Are you sure you bought the correct size bulldog? There were several sizes made. Based on the ones I have the holes should be 1 1/4" apart. Sorry, can't help you out with the part number for the correct bracket for an MH. Good looking truck! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMetz Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) The bulldog I bought has legs 1” apart and has a part #87931. This bracket on my truck has two holes about 1.25” apart. Your saying no in between base needed just a bulldog with wider feet. Anyone know a part number of bulldog that bolts onto my mount? Edited December 4, 2023 by JMetz Spelling Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post farmer52 Posted December 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2023 I was asked to log in and reply to this message. You bought the "pup" version. You need to full size dog. The chrome bulldog pn is 27RU217B. The gold bulldog was not installed on the MH even if it was 100% Mack. The gold bulldog pn is 27RU217BP2. It attaches directly to the mount with 2 -1/4"x1-1/4" UNF countersunk oval head capscrews (pn 103AX109). I did a thread a LONG time ago about changing my bulldog from chrome to gold. I forgot to add 27RU217B subs to 2515 2847 and 27RU217BP2 subs to 2516 1913. Both list for over $100. 4 Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Remmers Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 59 minutes ago, JMetz said: The bulldog I bought has legs 1” apart and has a part #87931. This bracket on my truck has two holes about 1.25” apart. Your saying no in between base needed just a bulldog with wider feet. Anyone know a part number of bulldog that bolts onto my mount? 87931 is the patent number they all had. More than likely you have a smaller bumper guide dog. Easiest way to know you're buying the right size without a part number is if it has cropped ears. The smaller ones only had sharp pointed ears. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMetz Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, farmer52 said: I was asked to log in and reply to this message. You bought the "pup" version. You need to full size dog. The chrome bulldog pn is 27RU217B. The gold bulldog was not installed on the MH even if it was 100% Mack. The gold bulldog pn is 27RU217BP2. It attaches directly to the mount with 2 -1/4"x1-1/4" UNF countersunk oval head capscrews (pn 103AX109). I did a thread a LONG time ago about changing my bulldog from chrome to gold. I forgot to add 27RU217B subs to 2515 2847 and 27RU217BP2 subs to 2516 1913. Both list for over $100. Thank you sir! Very informative. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMetz Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, Hans Remmers said: 87931 is the patent number they all had. More than likely you have a smaller bumper guide dog. Easiest way to know you're buying the right size without a part number is if it has cropped ears. The smaller ones only had sharp pointed ears. What was the smaller dog I have originally mounted on? Anyone looking for one let me know. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution farmer52 Posted December 4, 2023 Solution Share Posted December 4, 2023 There is one on the auction site that looks good. Send the seller a note and get the bolt spacing to make sure it is the correct one. https://www.ebay.com/itm/296089879417?hash=item44f0550379:g:nc0AAOSwDQVlbjML&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8PtmuW4Si3C8%2F4k3Ffpl18WRLiK%2FfzOo%2Bh1eGJpJk90sgo%2F%2FOlKHUL5h%2BE13XI9Q6aHG9qE04eYJJ2DsfvRYb95DWiwBgQXYOaMaKTtmLqCh6s1if8LP%2Bx5eZSxq6koTtStKofPKavx4M6LIammt55EZPOyToExDZYOlQ7PWD%2F%2FbnYc7ANBwPBgzQV4q9eqq%2BkHMp9VSFA5ImUwL0KpqLYWRRXpXpGy%2BITXDZA7CKUyKWIQ16OfjXMcU1KqnDWyODFb6ppHizApPGK35iaOGraiO31wI82n0p1O%2BYZz7XEWCaq0qzaYx0mTstR3yS%2F6t7A%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR8Ctn_KGYw 2 Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBWhite Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Good looking truck! Hope you can return the bulldog back to its pedestal. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
h67st Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 hours ago, JMetz said: What was the smaller dog I have originally mounted on? Anyone looking for one let me know. They were used on ashtrays, among other things. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 That bracket you have on your truck is almost correct base for the bulldog mascote. Stock part for the MH-model. You just bought a wrong dog as other members mentioned above. I saw such the base for sale on Ebay a couple years ago and thought I saved its pic on my hard drive. Rifled through it yesterday trying to answer your question but haven't found any. And now I see you added a photo of what you have on your truck and that's exactly what I have on my MH. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-542967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 That was going to be my guess as well. Wrong dog MH definitely one of my favorites. Good luck with it….bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-543191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Ken, if you are listening I saw you on here and first thought was it it was an old post. Thanks for that… Oh by the way, I am going to Macungie next year and meeting up with Otherdog. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-543198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JMetz Posted December 20, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) Thanks for all the help guys. Was able to source a gold Bulldog off eBay. I assumed it was used, nope must be a new old stock one. Fit like a glove on the old girl! Would like to find a good used lower grill section (looks like a Pheasant hit it) and cracked one plastic headlight bezel. If you know of a salvage yard or have these pieces please contact me. I bought new clearance light lenses, but need the foam gaskets as the old ones are very very brittle and falling apart. Any ideas to replace the 5 foam gaskets and o rings? If anyone is in need of the smaller chrome bulldog I have (1" space feet thread holes), get a hold of me. Edited December 20, 2023 by JMetz added to post 6 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-543841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrybarbon Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Try Restoration Specialties USA, they have all the rubber and foam for the clearance lights. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-543878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
h67st Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 That's a fine looking Pete parked behind the MH! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-543944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMetz Posted December 23, 2023 Author Share Posted December 23, 2023 17 hours ago, h67st said: That's a fine looking Pete parked behind the MH! Yes sir! Thanks, My pride n joy. A 2002 with a 6NZ! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-543973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
h67st Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Is the 6NZ a 3406 or a C-15? I left Cat in 1999, they hadn't come out with C-15s yet. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-543984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMetz Posted December 26, 2023 Author Share Posted December 26, 2023 6NZ is a C-15, and a highly sought after pre emission Cat motor. Often referred to as one of the best Cat motors produced. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-544125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBWhite Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Good motors indeed. A lot of them still around here in bull haulers Also I can't say I've ever seen a factory snorkel on a Mh with an E6. I know some fleets requested them but most of the large fleets ordered Cummins. Interesting for sure! 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-544128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ws721 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 If it was a Cummins it should be a MH 633 if memory serves correctly. I think the MH 643 was Cat powered. 603 was a glider and 623 was Detriot power. But i have been known to be wrong before 1 Quote Remember if it's got a hood it's no good! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-544158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 MH633 is for Cummins for sure. And no comment on the rest from my side. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-544459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 12/26/2023 at 1:22 PM, JMetz said: 6NZ is a C-15, and a highly sought after pre emission Cat motor. Often referred to as one of the best Cat motors produced. I ran a 435 for a short time that was a pulling SOB real pleasure to drive, 80 mile an hour top end made it nice to pass people with triples trailers on a two Lane Rd. just wind it up and blow their doors off bulldog looks great nice catch you could also walk through Home Depot and find what you need. They got all kinds of stuff like that. Good luck bud. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-544464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ws721 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 The more i think about it maybe the Cat powered MH's are a 653. Guess i should leave the facts to those who know. 1 Quote Remember if it's got a hood it's no good! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-544813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
67RModel Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On 12/26/2023 at 4:22 PM, JMetz said: 6NZ is a C-15, and a highly sought after pre emission Cat motor. Often referred to as one of the best Cat motors produced. Isn't there a fairly significant difference in "C-15" engines vs "C15"? I think the C-15 was only made for one year and then it became the C15, then ultimately the C15 ACERT. I don't know what makes the C-15, other than the valve cover, different from the C15 but if I recall correctly it was a more desirable arrangement. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/73610-1985-mack-mh613-cabover/#findComment-544814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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