Jamaican Bulldog Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Government mandates that are forcing EV transition in the auto industry is also targeting the heavy truck industry. Edison Motors in Canada ( see video in link) started by two logging truckers have come up with an innovative idea that is more viable for many trucks to avoid the drawbacks of Electric Vehicles such range, charging availability and costs. The truck uses a diesel electric hybrid set up similar to freight trains to over a truck that is both more efficient than traditional trucks while having a lot of torque. A 9 liter Cat engine paired with a electric generator allows the truck to achieve 20 mpg and even regenerative braking avoiding the need for having a engine braking system. They also have conversion powertrain kits for older trucks and converted an old Kenworth W923 logging truck to this powertrain. It seems that such a technology could be viable to other truck uses as well. Is there any chance Mack might develop something like this with newly designed trucks such as the ones that will be using the Volvo cab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 But I thought the EV push was to eliminate gas and diesel engines? Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 9 minutes ago, terry said: But I thought the EV push was to eliminate gas and diesel engines? Terry it is. Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 29 minutes ago, tjc transport said: it is. So that story of Jamaican bulldog don’t make sense, it uses a diesel engine,right? Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70mackMB Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Go on YouTube and search Edison Motors. lt is very interesting what they are doing with that truck. There must be a dozen or more videos of them. .....Hippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBWhite Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, terry said: So that story of Jamaican bulldog don’t make sense, it uses a diesel engine,right? Terry Jamaican Bulldog? I'm out of the loop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOBWhite Posted February 26 Popular Post Share Posted February 26 People who live in the real world figured out that eliminating gas/Diesel engines isn't really possible. Modern diesels are so clean that this hybrid setup would be cleaner than running a full EV that's coal powered. I'd like to see this system put on an old mack with an E6 or E7. Keeping those engines at the same RPM and load all day would probably double or triple the life of the engine while getting 15+ mpg! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 the new trucks get great fuel mileage. my new Kenworth with 600cummins and allison auto trans will see 10 mpg on long interstate highway runs. even loaded in city it sees 6-7 mpg. far better than the 5 on the road and 3 in city of the 99 mack with 400 and 8ll trans. so i have no doubt that in a properly designed diesel/electric unit they could not see 15+ mpg like BobWhite says Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 (edited) On 2/25/2024 at 6:21 PM, terry said: But I thought the EV push was to eliminate gas and diesel engines? Terry Yep thats what people in the virtual world thought but real world conditions came knocking. Real truckers designed a truck using the best of both worlds that is more practical and less expensive. There was an article in the most recent Wheels of Time on them real truckers designed a truck that uses Edited February 28 by Jamaican Bulldog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaican Bulldog Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 On 2/25/2024 at 7:05 PM, terry said: So that story of Jamaican bulldog don’t make sense, it uses a diesel engine,right? Terry It uses a 9 liter Cat diesel engine with a electric generator and components similar to a freight train and get up to 20 mpg. Its not a pure EV so it doesn’t have the limitations of one. I believe they can have any motor that is sufficient to turn the generator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago On 2/27/2024 at 6:14 PM, Jamaican Bulldog said: It uses a 9 liter Cat diesel engine with a electric generator and components similar to a freight train and get up to 20 mpg. Its not a pure EV so it doesn’t have the limitations of one. I believe they can have any motor that is sufficient to turn the generator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 8 minutes ago, fjh said: On 2/27/2024 at 6:14 PM, Jamaican Bulldog said: It uses a 9 liter Cat diesel engine with a electric generator and components similar to a freight train and get up to 20 mpg. Its not a pure EV so it doesn’t have the limitations of one. I believe they can have any motor that is sufficient to turn the generator Twice the torque of diesel! they have yet to put it to work doing the job they intended it to do! It moved a full load of logs on flat ground just fine time will tell if it does it’s intended job! As a side note they have decided on scania as the engine they will proceed with when they get rolling! Unless a customer wants other than! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago I think a lot of people have missed the point of whats behind this idea The logs are generally up the mountain and the mill down the mountain The lads describe it in a video like this Truck is charged over night Morning the truck is charged and drives to logging coupe Truck loads and as it decends the mountain back to the mill with a load on the regenerative braking charges the batteries back up The truck gets to the mill, unloads and is fully charged and the cycle continues The diesel motor is only used on log journeys to mills further away were the electric charge isn't enough to reach the mill In normal operation the diesel should be rarely used Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 5 minutes ago, mrsmackpaul said: I think a lot of people have missed the point of whats behind this idea The logs are generally up the mountain and the mill down the mountain The lads describe it in a video like this Truck is charged over night Morning the truck is charged and drives to logging coupe Truck loads and as it decends the mountain back to the mill with a load on the regenerative braking charges the batteries back up The truck gets to the mill, unloads and is fully charged and the cycle continues The diesel motor is only used on log journeys to mills further away were the electric charge isn't enough to reach the mill In normal operation the diesel should be rarely used Paul Correct! Paul , As I said it’s intended job! And I wish they would get on with it ! Elon has been baiting people on with his full electrical situation for years now with no solid outcome!these guys don’t need to follow the same path! There is tons of equipment that could benefit from what they are doing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Those guys are screwed. No one higher in the pecking order is ever gonna let them continue. Their ideas make entirely too much sense. Best they can hope for is to get paid well to go away. They've already been snubbed by government. It's a shame. I love what they're doing, and don't see how anyone could go wrong wading into electric trucks the way they're going about it. ( if that's what someone wanted to do ) All these clowns with the say don't really want what they talk about. If I had to guess, I'd say these guys have generated (pun intended) more interest in electrifying commercial vehicals amungst people in transportation who aren't getting subsidies (guys like ....us) than anyone else has. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 31 minutes ago, Mark T said: Those guys are screwed. No one higher in the pecking order is ever gonna let them continue. Their ideas make entirely too much sense. Best they can hope for is to get paid well to go away. They've already been snubbed by government. It's a shame. I love what they're doing, and don't see how anyone could go wrong wading into electric trucks the way they're going about it. ( if that's what someone wanted to do ) All these clowns with the say don't really want what they talk about. If I had to guess, I'd say these guys have generated (pun intended) more interest in electrifying commercial vehicals amungst people in transportation who aren't getting subsidies (guys like ....us) than anyone else has. Agree ! We can hope I guess ! Some one with deep pockets may buy em out and bury it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70mackMB Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago l think this is their latest video. .....Hippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago I'm not sure I like this.. I watched the video, yes, it's impressive, but to me it is also depressing... They are feeding the electric vehicle mandates that non of us need.. sorry guys... not a fan right now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: I'm not sure I like this.. I watched the video, yes, it's impressive, but to me it is also depressing... They are feeding the electric vehicle mandates that non of us need.. sorry guys... not a fan right now.. All good Joey! Better than any any alternative I’ve seen so far though! Elon hasn’t proven anything yet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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