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How the heck do you get to that hidden top bolt to take out the starter?I`m guessing it`s bad.I can hear the drive gear hitting the flywheel when I push the start button,but no cranking.Batteries are fully charged,cable connections are clean and tight.I have (4) 6 volt batteries feeding a 12 volt starter.It`s worked great for the 2 yrs I`ve owned the truck,a1961 B61.Thanks

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skydawg, The connections are clean and tight but are the cables good? l once had a cable that went from battery to battery that was no good. lt wasn't till after changing four batteries, starter, alternator, and letting it run all week. Then we found it was only an eight inch cable that was junk. We used a set of jumper cables, one at a time, on the battery cables till it started on it's own.    .....Hippy

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What position is your starter on the bell housing? There's a lower right, down on the passenger side. Also, upper left on the driver's side, between the block and steering column. Mine is on the upper left, which I think is the harder location. I bent up a spare 5/8" wrench to reach it from the inside of the cab after removing the floor boards to access the area.

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I tapped on the solenoid and starter with a hammer and it`s cranking again.I`m thinking maybe the contacts in the solenoid are corroded or pitted.I`ll remove it and see what`s up when I get a chance.

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15 hours ago, skydawg said:

I tapped on the solenoid and starter with a hammer and it`s cranking again.I`m thinking maybe the contacts in the solenoid are corroded or pitted.I`ll remove it and see what`s up when I get a chance.

I think a good solenoid cleaning is all you need??? Be sure to pull the plunger and hit it and the barrel with some emery cloth to remove any corrosion.

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ESM-2.thumb.JPG.6506b8d61e4ae79928a892494f6624b3.JPGThere are 3 ways to eliminate the Series/Parallel switch, or there used to be, one may not be available due to Elon buying then re selling Maxwell.

1st is to change the starter and cabling to a 12 volt crank/ run system

2nd is to used a TR alternator with both 12 and 24 volt output, The batteries are wired in series and the 12 volt truck loads are placed on only 2 of the batterys, the remaining two go to the starter in series with the 1 st two. Works but the batteries should be swapped around periodically for best life.

3rd and the one I would recommend, if it is still available is the Maxwell EMS, it will charge on 12 volt but supply 24 volt to the starter. It is the size of one Group 31 and can supply more than 4 group 31's can for short cranking loads.

 I had the 12 volt version in one of my trucks that didn't have room for air start. Even with the 12 volt holding less power than the 24 it cranked no problem in -25F temps.

 The 24 volt unit would charge on anywhere from 10 volt to 30 volts, so ideal for a 12 volt run truck with a 24 volt cranking system

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When I converted mine to 12v, I used four 12v in parallel.  It would spin over in single digit weather and start without ether!  Overkill but at the time it sat outside and I wanted it dependable.  Once the batteries  needed to be replaced it only got two because it sits inside now.

With air start, not sure I will need to replace those two batteries?  They only need to start my Onan and two are overkill for that.

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1959 B61 Liv'n Large......................

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I have two 12-volt truck batteries in my B model they were in it when I bought it 6 years ago and they always started it, but I never tried starting it in under 20 degrees'  Larry you going down to the Mack Museum show I was down before covid and I thought it was a cool show I would like to go down it's easier for me to go there than driving down to Gerhart's.

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13 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

He just means that he converted to a 12 volt system, with 2 sets of  two 6 volts, so two twelve volt packs made from two six volt batteries. 

OK, thanks for that now that you explained it it makes sense. I thought it was something like that, but I can’t quite figure it in my head. 

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I only owned one truck with the 24 V starter and it was too long ago, but it did have 4—6 V batteries of parallel switch but yeah that would make sense. I guess even today four six volts would give you a lot more cranking power than two 12s… bob

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I do know then they were telling me just one of the six v was a little weak. It would make a really big difference in trying to get it started. Actually what I think about it my DM was 24 V and I was having the same issue. I got rid of everything I put in an air starter. I was never really sure what was wrong with it. I just got rid of the whole system. I’m getting old completely forgot about this one under my nose. Bob

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