jervn4 Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 (edited) Hello all, im looking to see if anyone can point us in the right direction with some axle identification. Im at a student at a tech school in PA and we are in the process of converting what we believe to be a 1978/9 (motor is a 78 actual year of truck is unknown) R600 Into a service truck. In the process we replaced the camel backs with a single air ride axle out of a Mack Vision as well as removed the factory 5 speed and installed an 18 speed, with the eventual goal that the factory 237 come out and a 355 E7-Etech taking its place.. We are trying to update the front axle to have newer hub piloted or bud hubs, possibly using a whole new axle. We identified the axle in the truck to be a FA534C according to the stamping on the axle, bearings that came out of the hubs are timken 25572 and 39585. at the very least we are shooting to remove the daytons and get a regular hub piloted hub on there. but should that not be possible we also are curious if there is a axle that is interchangable with the one we currently have that would already be hub piloted. From our research we havent come up with very much in regards to this axle and was wondering if anyone had any insite to what we are looking at. any helps greatly appreciated. UPDATE: After a lot of looking and thinking we ended up sourcing a FA535 Which is a 10500 axle with bud hubs on it, that will work for our truck. Thanks for the input everyone. Edited November 19 by jervn4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 if i were you i would find another front end buy the entire unit out of wrecking yard from any make you can find that looks similar,,,cheapest and less running around for everyone involved good luck,,,bob 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 jervn4.... if you will... post the truck you have with the year, vin, engine model,and pictures of this rig.. Mack has a lot of common parts... I dont think you are trying re-invent the wheel here... 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Glad you found Humor Mech.. am I wrong?? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jervn4 Posted October 20 Author Share Posted October 20 1 hour ago, Joey Mack said: jervn4.... if you will... post the truck you have with the year, vin, engine model,and pictures of this rig.. Mack has a lot of common parts... I dont think you are trying re-invent the wheel here... If you read through my intial message you would find all the thing you asked for minus pictures and the vin. Pictures arent going to help very much as the truck is currently disassembled in about 30 pieces for paint, and ill post a vin number up on monday when im back in the shop. To repeat what i said originally in more detail, Its a 1978.. Possibly a 1979 we arent 100% on the year, R-600 With the Mack 675ENDT 237HP engine. we absolutely arent reinventing the wheel, more so looking for information on what we have for an axle and if anyone had done a hub swap with this axle before and had knowledge to share.. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 sounds good.. i have done a few hub swaps on RW's, so If I can find my notes, I may have info for you.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 Trouble with swapping a complete axle is a distance between spring U-clamp holes. It's determined by the spacing between the springs on a particular chassis. R-model has its specific size and most if not all R's were fitted with either stud piloted hubs of Daytons. Of what gets on my mind is looking for the later series RD axle which would have same spring spacing but may have hub pilot hubs if produced late enough. Of other options it could be an axle off a CH or Vision. But in that case you need to weld the existing U-clamp holes and drill new ones. Usually spring fit area on a beam is cast wide to be drilled differently and is at the factory for a particular application. I heard people weld and redrill but I'm not sure of how nice the final result could be and that's some amount of labour too. One more point is correspondence of the drag link joint. Older axles usually had a cone pin and newer ones could be cylindrical. Of seamless ways which may be seen on my mind is identifying actual sizes of the bearings fitted in the existing hubs of the truck. Than sitting rifling through spare hub chats looking for a hub piloting hub which uses same bearing fitting. Or more advanced option - figuring all possible bearing combo's you can fit onto your spindles. Than look for a hub piloted hub (any possible to found on the market) which would suit any of the bearings fittable to the spindles. ̷O̷r̷ ̷j̷u̷s̷t̷ ̷n̷o̷t̷ ̷s̷t̷i̷r̷ ̷t̷h̷e̷ ̷p̷o̷t̷ ̷a̷n̷d̷ ̷l̷e̷a̷v̷e̷ ̷t̷h̷e̷ ̷t̷r̷u̷c̷k̷ ̷w̷i̷t̷h̷ ̷i̷t̷s̷ ̷o̷r̷i̷g̷i̷n̷a̷l̷ ̷s̷t̷u̷d̷ ̷p̷i̷l̷o̷t̷e̷d̷ ̷h̷u̷b̷s̷.̷ Vlad 1 Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 Well, just my opinion if you could find hubs that will fit on your spindles that may make it a lot easier otherwise lots of running around wild goose chases,, to drive somewhere to get them over price parts that don’t fit and drive 200 miles to find out there wrong size Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 Here are 2 vin's from my old fleet. They are from late 90's E-7 RD-690 'S' models.. 083858 + 083859.. maybe you can compare yours to this,, only other thing is that these trucks had 385's on Budd wheels.. I know it is NOT exactly what you are looking for but ... who knows. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 I thought about changing my hubs also , but that was just for the hubcap style hub, but I would probably have the same problem OK nothing fits right here Good luck.bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 Oh, by the way, I’m not trying to discourage you just giving you heads up lots of variations. It was a little bit easier a few years ago to hit a wrecking yard and get anything you needed. unless you’ve got solid part numbers and a reputable source such as Joey you have to be very careful about interchanging. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Green Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 I’ll be starting a new topic here I have a B42 and I’m swapping out the front axle to one with hub pilot hubs I’ll try and post what I did and what I’m running into I’ll post it it in drive line and suspension 2 Quote If your going to be a bear be a grizzly Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Green Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 I look at it is how much money do you want to spend my axle has bad tie rod ends and I can’t find new ones so I sourced a whole different axle out of a school bus the center pin holes were close and I’ll have to get new u bolts to fit properly in the holes. Width of the outsides of the tires was a concern for me as a b model is kinda narrow . Going newer gets you more modern parts that are usually cheaper and easily sourced Quote If your going to be a bear be a grizzly Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-560506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jart Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 Im looking to convert my FA535 axle to hubs. Can you please help me out with part numbers? Check your personal messages. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) This is something we might have to face with our Cruiseliner.We have 24in spoke tube type wheels but cannot get tyres for them.We can get 24in tubeless tyres but our tyre depot wont put them on split rims and new tubes cant be got too...at least not in Ireland. Paul Edited November 22 by cruiseliner64 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 On 11/21/2024 at 9:16 PM, cruiseliner64 said: We can get 24in tubeless tyres but our tyre depot wont put them on split rims The bead profile is different. The tube type bead is flat, the tubeless has an angle to it. I've seen it done, but I wasn't going near it Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 I'd be VERY surprised you can buy 24 tubeless truck tires. You can buy 24.5" tubeless truck tires, they are NOT the same, and do NOT go on the same rims. What holds the lock ring on a tube type lock ring wheel, is the bead going over and pushing the lock ring deeper in the groove. Even if you got the 24.5" tire with a tube on it, on a 24" lock ring wheel, the bead diameter is half an inch too large, There may be some off road tires that are made in 24" sizes that I guess could be tubeless, but I know of no on road tubeless 24" tires, only tube type. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 24in tubeless tyres are available over here in europe but your right no tyre shop would fit them to a tube type rim.the problem we have is 24in tube type tyres are not available here.Over here tyres over 10 years old must be replaced regardless of condition.The tyres on our Cruiseliner are over 10 years old...sadly theyre in good condition.We may have to replace the rims and tyres.Is there a 24.5 rim available that would fit our truck or do we have to replace the hubs as well? Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 Not if it is on spokes, 24" tube type is all that will go on those. If you have or can find a spec sheet on those 24" tubeless or a link to them on the .net I'd be interested in looking them over. https://s7d1.scene7.com/is/content/bridgestone/Bridgestone-Truck-Tire-DataBookpdf-1 For example, the above tire data book lists 11R24 and 12R24 but they are tube type for"flat based rims". I can find no data on tubeless 24" truck tires on the .net. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 Last time I bought a 24 inch tube type radial it was somewhere close to $1,000 I think that was 2 or 3 years ago 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Weeks Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 9 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said: Last time I bought a 24 inch tube type radial it was somewhere close to $1,000 I think that was 2 or 3 years ago I'm interested in what Cruiseliner is finding in 24" tubeless? Some military 20" can be used with a tube or a tubeless on a bolt together rim with an O ring seal at the parting line. However I can find no 24" tires like that. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 10 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said: I'm interested in what Cruiseliner is finding in 24" tubeless? Some military 20" can be used with a tube or a tubeless on a bolt together rim with an O ring seal at the parting line. However I can find no 24" tires like that. Im going to check again with the tyre depot tomorrow.Im sure they said they could get 24in tubless.I'll get back to you as soon as I find out more... Paul 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseliner64 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 I'v just spoke to our tyre depot who said the 1200R24 tubeless tyres they can get are made in China(where else?).The brand is" BOTO".I have googled it but so far not much came up. Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 http://www.windabototyre.com/product_51_BT168.html 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 35 minutes ago, cruiseliner64 said: made in China How much? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/74651-r-model-steer-axle/#findComment-562929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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