R model Steer axle

[Joseph Cummings]

49 minutes ago, cruiseliner64 said:

I'v just spoke to our tyre depot who said the 1200R24 tubeless tyres they can get are made in China(where else?).The brand is" BOTO".I have googled it but so far not much came up.

Paul

https://www.otrusa.com/shop/truck-tires/12-00r24-20pr-l-160-156k-linglong-lal800-ms/?srsltid=AfmBOopa_Op2361UBDUbypmffY1vtG0m9YNmX3AcpLXIvXjdEOOA-6YJ

[Geoff Weeks]

On the spec sheet those are listed as TT or tube type.

They still will not install them?

[Joseph Cummings]

2 minutes ago, Geoff Weeks said:

On the spec sheet those are listed as TT or tube type.

They still will not install them?

I kind of get the feeling that there was some miscommunication at the tire shop. I get young guys all the time who don't know a 11r24.5 is a 10r22 and so on. Tube type sizes are ancient history to them

[Geoff Weeks]

I did also, but was not going to say something is impossible in another country, in  another part of the world.

Here, at least, it is permissible to put a tube in a tubeless tire but not the other way around. Tubes are often used in tubeless tires on motorcycles and older sports cars with true spoke wheels.

Until recently, 24 TT were the main tire used in the middle east, down under and many other places around the world. Were only popular in the eastern seaboard around NY/NJ where the added weight could be utilized.

About 10 years ago, I saw a brand new trailer being delivered with 24" TT hub pilot wheels on it. Must have been going to a mine somewhere.

[Joseph Cummings]

2 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

I did also, but was not going to say something is impossible in another country, in  another part of the world.

Here, at least, it is permissible to put a tube in a tubeless tire but not the other way around. Tubes are often used in tubeless tires on motorcycles and older sports cars with true spoke wheels.

Until recently, 24 TT were the main tire used in the middle east, down under and many other places around the world. Were only popular in the eastern seaboard around NY/NJ where the added weight could be utilized.

About 10 years ago, I saw a brand new trailer being delivered with 24" TT hub pilot wheels on it. Must have been going to a mine somewhere.

Back when they let us use real dump trucks. Before the government got serious about all that axle weight nonsense

 

[cruiseliner64]

5 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said:

How much?

460 euro each thats about 490 US dollars..... 

Paul

[cruiseliner64]

10 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

On the spec sheet those are listed as TT or tube type.

They still will not install them?

The tyre depot said it can only get the tubeless tyres....my rims are tube type split rims...

Paul

[cruiseliner64]

10 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

I did also, but was not going to say something is impossible in another country, in  another part of the world.

Here, at least, it is permissible to put a tube in a tubeless tire but not the other way around. Tubes are often used in tubeless tires on motorcycles and older sports cars with true spoke wheels.

Until recently, 24 TT were the main tire used in the middle east, down under and many other places around the world. Were only popular in the eastern seaboard around NY/NJ where the added weight could be utilized.

About 10 years ago, I saw a brand new trailer being delivered with 24" TT hub pilot wheels on it. Must have been going to a mine somewhere.

I have to enquire if thats allowed here....

Paul

[cruiseliner64]

10 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said:

I kind of get the feeling that there was some miscommunication at the tire shop. I get young guys all the time who don't know a 11r24.5 is a 10r22 and so on. Tube type sizes are ancient history to them

The guy i was dealing with has over 30 years in the tyre business.I deal with him only beacuse as you say younger guys dont know anything about older tyres and none of them even know what a spoke wheel on a truck is never mind how to fit them!!!

Paul

[Geoff Weeks]

The above is from Winda-BOTO's tire specs. The 12.00R24 is TT (Tube Type)  it would say TL (tubeless) in the 3rd column if it were tubeless.

Either your tire supplier has no idea what they are talking about, or they are ordering 12x 24.5 (I don't think there is even a tire that size) tubeless which are not the same.

If they can't read a tire catalog or don't know the difference, it is time to find a dealer that knows their trade.

Please Have them show you, so your can show me, where they are finding tubeless 12R24 tires!

To the best of my knowledge there are no tubeless 24" tires made for highway service. 

 

[Geoff Weeks]

Is it possible that they are mixing up Radial and Tubeless? I have run into that before, people who see radial and thing it must be tubeless, and if they see bias ply think it must be tube type. Both are false assumptions You can have bias tubeless and radial tube type.

I have a whole set of tube type radials.

[Joseph Cummings]

24.5 will go on a 24" multi piece rim. The 24.5 has a tapered bead and the narrow part on the taper is real close to 24". Of course a tube is required. WARNING, DO NOT DO THIS, IT'S A BOMB AND THE MORTICIAN WILL HAVE TO PUT YOUR HEAD BACK ON WITH SCREWS AND GLUE.

That being said I saw it done and told the guy to get the damn thing out of my shop.

Back in the 1970's we used to see 16.5 tires on 16 inch rims now and again. There was common misinfo out there that a 16.5 was just a tubeless 16. It happened enough that we got a safety bulletin about it from somebody. The taper on the bead of the XX.5 tires doesn't lock the ring in like it should, and being the tire is only tight on the rim in a narrow area, as you go down the road there is motion between locking parts. This mismatch makes the Kelsey Hayes 2 piece wheel look safe

Edited November 30, 2024 by Joseph Cummings

[cruiseliner64]

1 hour ago, Geoff Weeks said:

The above is from Winda-BOTO's tire specs. The 12.00R24 is TT (Tube Type)  it would say TL (tubeless) in the 3rd column if it were tubeless.

Either your tire supplier has no idea what they are talking about, or they are ordering 12x 24.5 (I don't think there is even a tire that size) tubeless which are not the same.

If they can't read a tire catalog or don't know the difference, it is time to find a dealer that knows their trade.

Please Have them show you, so your can show me, where they are finding tubeless 12R24 tires!

To the best of my knowledge there are no tubeless 24" tires made for highway service. 

 

I'll talk to them again.maybe theres misunderstanding somewhere along the line.....

Paul

[cruiseliner64]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Cummings said:

24.5 will go on a 24" multi piece rim. The 24.5 has a tapered bead and the narrow part on the taper is real close to 24". Of course a tube is required. WARNING, DO NOT DO THIS, IT'S A BOMB AND THE MORTICIAN WILL HAVE TO PUT YOUR HEAD BACK ON WITH SCREWS AND GLUE.

That being said I saw it done and told the guy to get the damn thing out of my shop.

Back in the 1970's we used to see 16.5 tires on 16 inch rims now and again. There was common misinfo out there that a 16.5 was just a tubeless 16. It happened enough that we got a safety bulletin about it from somebody. The taper on the bead of the .5 tires doesn't lock the ring in like it should, and being the tire is only tight on the rim in a narrow area, as you go down the road there is motion between locking parts. This mismatch makes the Kelsey Hayes 2 piece wheel look safe

I wont do that.your warning is clear.many thanks for your advise...

Paul

[Geoff Weeks]

ever get your tires sorted out?

[cruiseliner64]

14 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

ever get your tires sorted out?

Not yet.I'v been too busy to get back down to the tyre depot.Hope to get down on Saturday.Thanks for your help on this.I do value your opinion. ..

Paul

[cruiseliner64]

On 12/5/2024 at 1:30 AM, Geoff Weeks said:

ever get your tires sorted out?

Well I got back down to the tyre depot and the guy there said 24in tubeless tyres are widely available from a few different companys...all in China.The tyres are highway radial tyres and are the most common truck tyre in China.Boto and Long March are two of the companys he said make them...... 

Paul

[cruiseliner64]

Meant to include this he sent me  via whatsapp

[Geoff Weeks]

On 11/29/2024 at 6:56 AM, Joseph Cummings said:

http://www.windabototyre.com/product_51_BT168.html

 

If you look at J Cummins post, not only is it the exact same picture, he included the tire data sheet, the DOESN'T include all the mis-spellings.

 I would order two and put tubes in them and never look back.

At least in the US it is permissible to use tubes in tubeless tires, but my guess is they're wrong and it is a tube type.

 The difference is a tubeless tire has a molded in liner that is air tight where a tube type does not. 

20" tubeless military tires that can be used tube or tubeless still all go on 5 deg bead angle.

22.5 and 24.5 use a 15 deg bead angle. The bead angle is not determined by the tire construction but by the rim design it it to be used with.

Again, it is the same make and model shown in their own tire data book as being tube type! I'll believe their own published data book over a misspelled whats-ap post.

Edited December 8, 2024 by Geoff Weeks