FDNY Deltic

[mrsmackpaul]

Not mine but just thing for a stand by power plant

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The Napier Deltic "SPARE Engine" that came with the original FDNY super pumper is for sale.   Engine is sealed in the original, unopened NICAD bag. It is stored inside the wooden container it was shipped in.  Has always been in a heated garage since new.  Can be used as museum piece or to refurb a PT boat, or Deltic railroad  train.  Or whatever you might like.  Make an offer.....?

 

 

 

 

Paul 

[mowerman]

You know, I swore they saw that truck in person at a truck show in LA about 22 years ago. I don’t know if that’s possible.

[kscarbel2]

1 hour ago, mrsmackpaul said:

Not mine but just thing for a stand by power plant

https://www.facebook.com/share/1AxQreVpmp/

The Napier Deltic "SPARE Engine" that came with the original FDNY super pumper is for sale.   Engine is sealed in the original, unopened NICAD bag. It is stored inside the wooden container it was shipped in.  Has always been in a heated garage since new.  Can be used as museum piece or to refurb a PT boat, or Deltic railroad  train.  Or whatever you might like.  Make an offer.....?

Paul 

 

The Nasty Class 80-foot patrol boats were fitted with Napier Deltic engines. My friend had at least 10 of the boats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Nasty-class_patrol_boat

[tjc transport]

Bob, the "super pumper" went to a private collector LA after it was sold, so it is very possible you DID see it.

[mowerman]

OK, thanks for that. My memory is starting to fade. Wasn’t sure if I actually saw it there or not….. pretty sure it was the Ontario Speedway .hadda antique truck show there I think it was ATHS annual show 

[mowerman]

You know, now that I think hard I am pretty sure it was for sale then also maybe the owner just put the sign on it everywhere he goes just in case some fool  wants to overpay for it lol bob

[Joseph Cummings]

You would think that something from EMD would have been a better engine to use than the Napier Deltic. I think Gibbs was a big time fan of British Navel Vessels, so that probably swayed his choice to the Napier Deltic when he designed the thing

[tjc transport]

it may have been an oddball design, but it was used over 2200 times during it's 17 years of service and. it worked just as planned delivering between 5,500 and 10,000 gallons per minute. 

during the "black saturday" fires in 1963 on Staten Island it supplied water to fight the fires as the water lines went dry causing no water for firefighting. the super pumper was used to pump out of the bay and deliver much needed water to the firefighters.

[Joseph Cummings]

6 hours ago, tjc transport said:

it may have been an oddball design, but it was used over 2200 times during it's 17 years of service and. it worked just as planned delivering between 5,500 and 10,000 gallons per minute. 

during the "black saturday" fires in 1963 on Staten Island it supplied water to fight the fires as the water lines went dry causing no water for firefighting. the super pumper was used to pump out of the bay and deliver much needed water to the firefighters.

I have no doubt it worked as designed. I was just thinking about Parts and ease of repair. That would have me prefer an EMD or something from one of the big US engine manufacturer

 

(On Edit) I'm wondering if it was an RPM thing. As you lower the speed of a centrifugal pump, the impeller diameter has to get larger. The Deltec revved kinda high for an engine of it's size

Edited December 15 by Joseph Cummings

[mechohaulic]

9 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said:

I have no doubt it worked as designed. I was just thinking about Parts and ease of repair. That would have me prefer an EMD or something from one of the big US engine manufacturer

 

(On Edit) I'm wondering if it was an RPM thing. As you lower the speed of a centrifugal pump, the impeller diameter has to get larger. The Deltec revved kinda high for an engine of it's size

when the pumper and tender were ordered brand new ; many spare parts were also ordered. possible reason that engine is still crated never used. While at the Mack dealer in CT, I went to Allentown  for a week class on Mack fire apparatus ; quite a bit of time was spend discussing the pumper/tender of NY. considering that was 50 plus yrs ago= the pumper (like myself) weren't that old didn't need too many parts replaced . unlike now. LOL

[Mark T]

🤔 I wonder if  a spare Mech is gonna show up in a crate on Amazon or FB marketplace 

[tjc transport]

1 hour ago, Mark T said:

🤔 I wonder if  a spare Mech is gonna show up in a crate on Amazon or FB marketplace 

nope. only one made as you dont mess with perfection!!

[Joseph Cummings]

Here is the company that built the pump. I remember them in Trenton NJ. Sid Sussman (RIP) bought the site for a new home for Certified Steel. Hard to find much info on the pump. There is a claim that it pulled water through 7,000 feet of suction line at one fire. I would think just the friction head would be enough to cause bad cavitation through that much suction hose

[BOBWhite]

Those Brits had some crazy engines in there day, that Napier engine and the Mack v8 combined into one rig must have been a sound! 

DeLaval made lots of dairy equipment as well, not sure if they are still around.

[Joseph Cummings]

1 hour ago, BOBWhite said:

Those Brits had some crazy engines in there day, that Napier engine and the Mack v8 combined into one rig must have been a sound! 

DeLaval made lots of dairy equipment as well, not sure if they are still around.

Yeah I was a bit confused by that at first. Seems that it is 2 different companies, founded by the same guy.

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From the 1870s Gustaf de Laval (1845–1913) developed machines for the dairy industry, including the first centrifugal milk-cream separator and early milking machines. His first separator was patented in 1887, and his first milking machine in 1894. From the early 1880s, De Laval's cream separator, was promoted internationally. For example, the London-based Dairy Supply Co presented the cream separator at the 1891 Dairy Show in London.^[1]

 

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Karl Gustaf Patrik de Laval (Swedish pronunciation: [ˈɡɵ̂sːtav dɛ laˈvalː] ^ⓘ; 9 May 1845 – 2 February 1913) was a Swedish engineer and inventor who made important contributions to the design of steam turbines and centrifugal separation machinery for dairy.

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Another company that Gustaf de Laval founded in the United States in 1901 was the De Laval Steam Turbine Company in Trenton.^[5]

Edited Sunday at 07:39 PM by Joseph Cummings

[tjc transport]

5 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said:

Here is the company that built the pump. I remember them in Trenton NJ. Sid Sussman (RIP) bought the site for a new home for Certified Steel. Hard to find much info on the pump. There is a claim that it pulled water through 7,000 feet of suction line at one fire. I would think just the friction head would be enough to cause bad cavitation through that much suction hose

not sure if that was the Brooklyn warehouse fire where 6 firefighters were killed around 1978 or the Staten Island Black Saturday fire.

[mowerman]

That sucks