Obsolete Head Gasket?? Just Go To The Flea Market and See This Guy

[mowerman]

16 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said:

All while still in their pajamas and slippers

Girl without a Hijab painted on the back must be the Pak version of the chrome naked chick you see on mudflaps

 

I was in salt lake one night and a black chick got out of a fleet truck PJs on walked up to dispatch that way … you gotta be kidding me!!!!!!!!!they are out there sweat pants flip flops lol 

[mechohaulic]

3 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

Lets not forget the intentional feminization of young boys and men.  These males are soft.  

 

I would take any young guy who wanted to learn what im teaching, over a ' checked box' person any day..  

lest us be cautious  discussing "these males being soft !!!" it an old age thing NOT my fault LMAO🤣🤣

[mowerman]

Anyway I did change a water pump one time 237 maxidyne on an off ramp had enough hand tools to giterdone RT 99 southbound galt California… as far as hand made head gaskets I wouldn’t trust them… Bob

[mowerman]

Ooooooooooooooo by the way fellas,,,,, too many likes on this one running out of check marks and by the way JC jimmy Hoffa ,,,, we could use ten of him now lol

[mechohaulic]

5 hours ago, mrsmackpaul said:

Age has nothing to do with ability 

Years of experience has nothing to do with ability 

Ability has to be taught, so why are people less able to fix none text book problems these days ?

I dunno, I  feel most people are not allowed to think for themselves anymore

And if they do think for themselves they are chastised if they get it wrong 

As a young bloke I was very fortunate to have 2 very good tradesman teach me as a apprentice 

No matter what mistakes I made, if they could see I was trying they never gave me a hard time

The company I worked for had at times 150 tradesmen and at a guess a 1/3 were just grumpy old pricks that had the shits on with the world 

Another 1/3 were just getting by raising a family and so on

The other 1/3 cared a lot and probably 10% of those really wanted to teach apprentices 

As to these so called dodgy  repairs, well I guess it is like the U.S. or Australia 80 years ago

We just got shit done, it might not of been text book right but it worked good enough, if not better at times than the OEM gear

 

Paul

I couldn't have said it better. it's as if you wrote my story. starting out "as a young bloke " I had those mechanics willing to teach the youngster . while there were those which said _ no one taught me , let him learn through his mistakes. 1/3grumpy/ 1/3 there for a pay check  and the small number who stopped by a project to help.  remember first time I put rod/main bearing in a Mack engine ( which was out of the truck laying on it's side ). must have taking half the day. even the foreman walked by and chuckled.  I was only 18?  never saw a diesel engines insides before. YES things are way different today compared to (80) years ago. books of knowledge were available AND USED . not look at a cell phone . 

[mechohaulic]

14 minutes ago, mowerman said:

Anyway I did change a water pump one time 237 maxidyne on an off ramp had enough hand tools to giterdone RT 99 southbound galt California… as far as hand made head gaskets I wouldn’t trust them… Bob

another example of differences today VS then. today unit would have to be towed in (I understand also a safety factor involved ); today EPA would be standing over your shoulder making sure you caught/ cleaned up 50ft  area of "contaminated soil from that toxic coolant . 

[mowerman]

In California we were not allowed to wash our truck with the hose I got hollowed at one time in Fontana for trying to wash some slop off the sides after running through a bunch of snow storm and the mechanic was telling me when the truck washers do thier fleet they all have to be moved to one spot and when they finish all the water has to be vacuumed up into this huge tank….. like wow man what a country 

[The Heinz]

5 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

Take ''TheHeinz' for example.  He joined us a short time ago and has helped greatly. He is not cocky, and knows when he doesnt know. He also will go the extra mile to help answer questions.  A shining example of someone i would want to teach.

That means a lot more to me than you realize, thank you. 

[Joey Mack]

The effort you put on here at BMT, speaks for itself.. Heinzy...

New nickname if thats ok? 

[The Heinz]

Go for it haha. 

[Joseph Cummings]

2 hours ago, mowerman said:

jimmy Hoffa ,,,, we could use ten of him now

This Life Magazine about Hoffa's ties to Local 107 has a picture of my "mentor" in it. Bootleg coal hauler from back during the Great Depression, walked with a bad limp from burning his brakes out coming down 309 to Philly and crashing over the side of a hill. They were a tough breed

 

[tjc transport]

i see way too many younger people that want everything handed to them for free.

and just as i give up hope for them all, a new fresh face steps up to the plate taught by their parents to respect others, have manners, and treat others as you would like them to treat you. 

i have one kid up the street that moved in over the summer that is not afraid to ask stupid questions, because he told me "that is the only way i will learn" my response to him was: if you learn something from the answer, than it was not a stupid question was it?

[mowerman]

My God, those guys all look like thugs ha ha thanks for that union hasn’t been the same ever since we’ve lost him

[mrsmackpaul]

9 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

Big difference between today and 80 years ago. Loads, torque and HP have skyrocketed over what was done 80 years ago. To be able to handle that, metallurgy and mfg processes have changed.   Today there are far fewer "twisted' axle shafts, to the point I would say none. Plenty of snapped axle shafts, the axle has become much harder to take the power and loading of today, without gaining in size. loads have increased, torque has increased but size has not. Fine splines carry more torque than the old course spline shafts ever could.

Repairs that were "dodgey" at best 80 years ago, with softer metals and components just can't stand up to today's load requirements.

 Most know on some level that a forging is stronger than a cast or built up piece, A gear set hobbed in the annealed state then hardened, will be stronger that a gear build up with weld on a hardened part then ground.

The problem in these 3rd world "repairs" is the original parts were over-loaded to the point of failure, then repaired with weaker processes and put right back in the situation where the original hardened part failed.

I can admire the tenacity of them trying, but can't say it is worth the effort, nor condemn those with more options for choosing a better repair.

Mfg has moved on from the point that soft steel can be used to handle todays requirements. If you had to build something out of low carbon steel to handle today's loads it would be so big and heavy it could not carry today's loads.

I think your not comparing apples with apples here

These countries and their people are just battling along as best they can

Even if they had the money to buy the part there probably is no factory trained mechanics there

I really admire someobe for having a go, no matter the country and to me sitting back knocking some for having a crack at life is a bit unfair, or as we would say "It's un Australian"

I guess that old saying "don't judge me until you've walked a mile in my shoes" comes to mind

These people in the video's probably earn in year what most Americans or Australians earn in a week 

Good on them for having ago

Our countries were built on people having ago, not on people criticising them 

Did they fail, hell yes they did, but they didn't give up, they got up, dusted themselves off and kept on trying 

I reckon a lot of this is missing today

 

Paul 

[mechohaulic]

6 hours ago, Joseph Cummings said:

This Life Magazine about Hoffa's ties to Local 107 has a picture of my "mentor" in it. Bootleg coal hauler from back during the Great Depression, walked with a bad limp from burning his brakes out coming down 309 to Philly and crashing over the side of a hill. They were a tough breed

 

they can't be ALL bad ;; I see two Polacks in the group. LOL

[Geoff Weeks]

52 minutes ago, mrsmackpaul said:

I think your not comparing apples with apples here

These countries and their people are just battling along as best they can

Even if they had the money to buy the part there probably is no factory trained mechanics there

I really admire someobe for having a go, no matter the country and to me sitting back knocking some for having a crack at life is a bit unfair, or as we would say "It's un Australian"

I guess that old saying "don't judge me until you've walked a mile in my shoes" comes to mind

These people in the video's probably earn in year what most Americans or Australians earn in a week 

Good on them for having ago

Our countries were built on people having ago, not on people criticising them 

Did they fail, hell yes they did, but they didn't give up, they got up, dusted themselves off and kept on trying 

I reckon a lot of this is missing today

 

Paul 

Paul,

I think you missed the many times where I said I admire their skills and tenacity, However I was pointing out that the reason we don't do things that way in the developed world is we have better options.

Yes, it is they are making the best of a bad situation, but that doesn't make it the best option if you have other choices.

JC was implying that we couldn't do that here, I was saying we wouldn't do that here, and the reasons why.

It is hard to watch someone make a repair that you know is doomed to fail again and again. Yes, it may be the best that they can afford, and therefore their best attempt, but it doesn't make it up to the task, just as close as they can get.

In the video of the over turned truck, if you look closely are the rear suspension casting, you can see old repairs and evidence of cracks that were present for some time before it failed (again). 

It is frustrating to see repeated failures because you know that is a huge set-back for the owner and/or operator. 

The implication that we are "pansy's" for not making those types of repairs here is a false one. The man hours alone would push the cost of what they do, impractical, then add the fact that it is a poorer repair, no we will not do things like that here, we are fortunate enough to have better options.

in the third world, trucks are often grossly overloaded, making failures almost a certainty, then to know the repair is weaker than the original item that failed.

[Geoff Weeks]

10 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

The problem in these 3rd world "repairs" is the original parts were over-loaded to the point of failure, then repaired with weaker processes and put right back in the situation where the original hardened part failed.

I can admire the tenacity of them trying, but can't say it is worth the effort, nor condemn those with more options for choosing a better repair.

 

Said it right here!

[Joseph Cummings]

2 hours ago, Geoff Weeks said:

The implication that we are "pansy's" for not making those types of repairs here is a false one

But they totally are. I see trucks down for months for an in chassis, nobody will do their own head work, they replace whole alternators over a diode trio or a broken brush holder, they all swear up and down that it's "Illegal" to straighten a dump that went over and twisted the frame or to weld up and fishplate a frame crack,

When you talk to them they seem to specialize in making some kind of high tech excuse. They say you need a "clean room" to do fuel injector work. They think every fastener needs a torque wrench, but can't tell you the last time their torque wrench was calibrated. I hear stuff like all frame welds must be done by a "certified" welder. 

I can only assume they teach them this horse crap in tech school. It's like they just don't get that downtime is money, and lots of money.

The hell with it anyway, they are all going to starve to death worshipping The Snap-On Jerk Off and jacking their carrot to Big rig with chrome and chicken lights pictures

[mrsmackpaul]

No matter what any of us think, the show is no good these days 

To many trucks down for way too long 

However trucks do get huge milage between rebuilds these days 

It is very hard to get a lot of people to think for themselves these days, it appears to me that everyone is into butt covering and making sure they can't be blamed for anything 

The western world needs to grow a set of balls and throw caution to the wind 

We all need to go out on that limb, yeah it gets a little breezy at times but that just makes for more adventure in life

Limp dicks with tattoos are taking over trying to look the part but don't know shit from yellow clay

As one of me good tradesman used to say, "those have never blown anything up have never really lived" 

The other tradesmen used to say "only two types of people have never made mistakes, those that have never tried and liars"

I don't work in the same job I was trained in by these men, but the lessons they taught me I apply to everything I do every day of my life 

 

 

Paul

[Joey Mack]

Paul, i am right there with you. And J.C. you too on some points. I have always said, (and sometimes with some arrogance), I' m mechanic not a technician !  I can fix stuff. Yes I would rather rebuild a starter, or alt, or water pump, but at the dealership its a game, and it has caught on like wild fire. All of a sudden we cant biuld anything, steering boxes were the first thing we were told not to do, and it went from there. To include head work on bendix air compressors.  

As far as the tattoo guys... It seems like the more ink you have is what grades you as a mechanic, now today we add a lifted diesel pickup truck to the mix. I dont care about tat's, really,  its just an observation, but it works for them. 

Paul,  Amen when it comes to mistakes. Ive made them, and the first thing i would do is tell my boss that i messed up.  

J.C. as far as head work goes.. if I have good heads worth repairing, i have no problem with doing a lot of the work that is not for a machine shop. I can check spring pressure, lap in valve seats, r+r seals, lap in the rocker shaft if it has light scratches without worry about my ability.  Ive stood around many conversations where they guys are talking all this cool shop talk about how to do the work, only to see a re- man part be brought out to the truck.  

Sorry about this rant, but you guys touched a nerve, and i agree with you.

I still have a LOT to learn, but proud of what I can do.... Jojo

[Joseph Cummings]

Joey, again I'm not saying 'All".

I just don't like the way all this is going. They are trying to make everything out to be a super high tech repair that can only be done by guys that grew up in a monastery, shaved their heads, flogged themselves and fasted for one month a year. And this super high tech only exists in somebody's fantasy.

You don't know how many times I see mechanics do stuff like spend 10,000 rebuilding an engine for a shop forklift that That you'd be able to buy a good running replacement forklift for maybe 5,000 or less. The engine might have nothing wrong with it but a leaking valve, or one chugged out cylinder, or just need rings bearings and valves because it's old. But they don't want to do that, they want to act like some part that might be worn half a thousands under isn't good enough for the shop forklift that might get run 5 hours a week.

It's like they don't get that they are building a 4 cylinder B Cummins for a POS obsolete forklift and not a race engine for Barny Oldfield

And the worst part is, even with their high tech BS talk, the shit doesn't run right when they are done

[Joey Mack]

As far as a shit talkers engine not running good.  In My last stint in the Mack shop, i had to redo 2 inframes, and was handed 3 MP-8's that were torn down. One of them was taken apart by the Laptop guru, he didnt know how to build it. I found all the plungers from the rocker arms where they fell... On the head, in the frame rail, on the floor in speedy dry.  So not only are they not going back in the bores they came from, i have to be sure the oil galleries are spotless beyond normal cleaning..  in addition to this,,, these 3 MP-8's was the first time I had ever built one, I had not been to school to get a cert for them.. i simply went on to Impact web site and litterally built the first one by the book page by page.  I didnt need to talk shit or brag, i just did the job.  This 1 engine sat for 3 weeks un- touched, i had just started to work there that week when i got the build.. my foreman tried to rush me, but i didnt cave.  After the test drive i tidied up loose ends and closed the work order...  I used the shop manual, PDF in this case, and got it done.. 

[Geoff Weeks]

5 hours ago, Joey Mack said:

 I' m mechanic not a technician !  I can fix stuff. Yes I would rather rebuild a starter, or alt, or water pump, but at the dealership its a game, and it has caught on like wild fire. All of a sudden we cant biuld anything, steering boxes were the first thing we were told not to do, and it went from there. To include head work on bendix air compressors.  

 

I still have a LOT to learn, but proud of what I can do.... Jojo

I will agree that most shops are R&R. There are also plenty of us that do our own work or when special tooling or processes are required have that done to our spec's.

I have always considered myself a mechanic not a technician. For the last 25 years or so my K-7 has been running around with a stainless water pump shaft and industrial pump seal. Shaft was made, seal was purchased.

I'll re-seal and rebush my Sheppard Steering boxes but the high pressure seal rides on and wears the input shaft, and after a while needs to machined down and a hard sleeve pressed on for a new wear surface. Those get sent out.  I have a lathe but not one that can handle the high cutting pressures and tools needed for that kind of work.

Things are being made in this country, no one would make a video of it.

How long did it take to make a head gasket? I know when I made one out of crush copper it took a long time, lots of hrs to lay out and cut. If I can buy one and have it overnighted, It is still cheaper than my labor and time to make one.

What I object to is getting all dewy eyed over repairs and processes that produce end results that aren't up to the task, then lament that it is not being done here!

We are a richer country and have better options, that is why it is not done here.

When my truck needed a waterpump, I purchased one and was back on the road in hours, I also "ate" the core and rebuild the old one, which I kept.

I ran Delco 25 and 26 SI  alternators that were modified (by me) to run external as well as internal regulators. Internal set to float voltage and the external handled the IUoU charging profile. I also carried a spare for rare failures. None of this is in reach of the third world, and no one would be impressed of a video of it.

Stuff is being made here but we are selective, and while I can admire the tenacity of someone who tries to mend a snapped axle shaft or crankshaft, I also know that it is a weak repair that will fail soon.

[Mark T]

Think what you may of those Pakistani dudes, but I can tell you I've spent what amounts to hours (maybe even days) watching them.  They're impressive.

[Joey Mack]

Im on board with keeping the core and rebuilding it.  I have a couple starters, and some Mack water pumps. I used to partially rebuild the EUP's on Mack engines. I own the fancy little socket for it.  Anyway, Thanks GW..