Plane Crash

[kscarbel2]

In the video, it appears that the alleged Army Sikorsky UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter rammed into the back of the American Airlines aircraft that was on final approach into Reagan National.(AA 5342 from Wichita, a PSA-operated CRJ700).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14340645/Plane-crashes-Reagan-National-Airport-Washington.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14341493/How-disaster-Potomac-unfolded-Washington-American-Airlines-helicopter-crash.html

[Joseph Cummings]

Oh, God that sounds bad. Those poor people

[kscarbel2]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14341705/conspiracy-theorists-black-hawk-chopper-crash-american-airlines-jet-deliberate.html

[tjc transport]

Something does not smell kosher with this. Chopper  pilot acknowledged visual on plane, and still slammed into it at full speed?

I wonder who was on that plane that needed eliminating?

[kscarbel2]

All the headlines say the jet collided with the helicopter, when the video from Kennedy Center appears to shows otherwise. The WH chimed in early on which I found odd. It was as if the WH was already knowing of a developing situation before the actual collision happened. And the convenient maps............

Perfect weather. Clear night. The CRJ700's upper and lower red strobe lights were visible from a great distance. And the CRJ was asked to land on 33 at the last minute.

[Joseph Cummings]

Yeah, who the hell flies a helicopter right across the flight pattern of a major airport, or any airport. The AA flight was on final, that's the last place you want to interfere with

[kscarbel2]

 

[tjc transport]

I am calling bull schivic on that video.

 at 5:30 am it was reported that the chopper pilot acknowledged visual on the jet.

 

[Joseph Cummings]

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14 CFR § 91.113 - Right-of-way rules: Except water operations.

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§ 91.113 Right-of-way rules: Except water operations.

Link to an amendment published at 89 FR 92485, Nov. 21, 2024.

(a) Inapplicability. This section does not apply to the operation of an aircraft on water.

(b) General. When weather conditions permit, regardless of whether an operation is conducted under instrument flight rules or visual flight rules, vigilance shall be maintained by each person operating an aircraft so as to see and avoid other aircraft. When a rule of this section gives another aircraft the right-of-way, the pilot shall give way to that aircraft and may not pass over, under, or ahead of it unless well clear.

(c) In distress. An aircraft in distress has the right-of-way over all other air traffic.

(d) Converging. When aircraft of the same category are converging at approximately the same altitude (except head-on, or nearly so), the aircraft to the other's right has the right-of-way. If the aircraft are of different categories—

(1) A balloon has the right-of-way over any other category of aircraft;

(2) A glider has the right-of-way over an airship, powered parachute, weight-shift-control aircraft, airplane, or rotorcraft.

(3) An airship has the right-of-way over a powered parachute, weight-shift-control aircraft, airplane, or rotorcraft.

However, an aircraft towing or refueling other aircraft has the right-of-way over all other engine-driven aircraft.

(e) Approaching head-on. When aircraft are approaching each other head-on, or nearly so, each pilot of each aircraft shall alter course to the right.

(f) Overtaking. Each aircraft that is being overtaken has the right-of-way and each pilot of an overtaking aircraft shall alter course to the right to pass well clear.

(g) Landing. Aircraft, while on final approach to land or while landing, have the right-of-way over other aircraft in flight or operating on the surface, except that they shall not take advantage of this rule to force an aircraft off the runway surface which has already landed and is attempting to make way for an aircraft on final approach. When two or more aircraft are approaching an airport for the purpose of landing, the aircraft at the lower altitude has the right-of-way, but it shall not take advantage of this rule to cut in front of another which is on final approach to land or to overtake that aircraft.

[Doc. No. 18334, 54 FR 34294, Aug. 18, 1989, as amended by Amdt. 91-282, 69 FR 44880, July 27, 2004]"""""

[Geoff Weeks]

I have yet to see a credible source saying that the helicopter acknowledged, but haven't read everything.  I'm waiting for VDR and FDC from both before making any cause predictions. 

[Joseph Cummings]

Even a primary student pilot is taught this from like the beginning. They spend like half their time flying the pattern and doing takeoffs and landings. A big airport like that, everyone knows the pattern and what altitude you should be, at every point. A big airport like that there is no guesswork on landing, even back in the day you had a lighted visual glide slope to follow called a "VASI"

Red over red, you're dead;(Too Low) Red over white, you're alright;(On The Slope) White over white, fly all night(Too High)

 

An approach slope is the path that an aircraft follows on its final approach to land on a runway. It is ideally a gentle downward slope. A commonly used approach slope is 3° from the horizontal. However, some airports have a steeper approach slope because of topography, buildings, or other considerations. London City Airport, for example, has a 5.5° approach slope; only aircraft that can maintain such an approach slope are allowed to use the airport.^[4] In the United Kingdom, any approach of 4.5° or greater is defined as steep and requires special approval.^[5] Steeper approaches require a longer laYnding distance, which reduces runway throughput at busy airports, and requires longer taxi distances. Airports such as Heathrow and London Luton are trialling slightly steeper approaches (3.2°) to reduce noise, by keeping the aircraft higher for longer and reducing engine power required during descent.^[6][7]

United States TERPS (Terminal Instrument Procedures) specifies maximum glidepath angles/vertical descent angles for each aircraft approach category.^[8]

Edited January 30 by Joseph Cummings

[kscarbel2]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14342925/Trump-says-pretty-good-idea-cause-DC-plane-crash-tears-DEI-hiring-press-briefing.html

[kscarbel2]

The collision took place as AA5342 was on its final approach to Reagan National shortly before 9pm ET. 

That night, a single air traffic controller was left to handle both helicopter traffic and manage planes - which should have been a divided duty - according to The New York Times. 

Those tasks are usually handled between two people from 10am until 9:30pm. 

After 9:30pm the duties are typically combined and left to one person as the airport sees less traffic later in the night. 

A supervisor decided to combine those duties before the scheduled cutoff time however, and allowed one air traffic controller to leave work early. 

The FAA says that staffing configuration 'was not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic'.

It remains unclear why the supervisor allowed the worker to clock off early on Wednesday night, just before the midair collision. 

 

The Army helicopter deviated from its approved flight path. It was not on its approved route and flying higher than it should have been. 

Approval had been given for the helicopter to fly no higher than 200 feet along the east side of the Potomac River, where it would have avoided the CRJ700. 

The pilot of the helicopter confirmed sight of the American Airlines flight and was told to stick to their predetermined route and go behind the plane. But the pilot did not stick to the path. He was a half-mile off course as well as being at an altitude above 300 feet.

A senior Army official told The Times that the pilot of the Black Hawk had flown the route before and was well aware of the tight altitude restrictions and routes. 

 

Five current and former controllers said the lone controller in the tower should have been more proactive in directing the two away from each other.

 

One day earlier, also at Reagan National, Republic Airways Flight 4514 was forced to abort landing and do a fly-around when a helicopter approached its flight path.

[Geoff Weeks]

I'm hearing differently The helicopter was VFR and not the air traffic controller perview, as they were to fly below the altitude of the incoming jets. At less the 400' the helicopter isn't able to be tracked by radar with all the buildings. Airtraffic control warned them as they entered the air space but it was the helicopters responsibility to stay clear as they are flying VFR. Anything flying that low in that airspace is VFR,and that make sense as they must avoid buildings and other obstacles.

We'll have to wait and see what the investigation concludes but so far this is squarely the fault of the helicopter.  

[kscarbel2]

26 minutes ago, Geoff Weeks said:

I'm hearing differently The helicopter was VFR and not the air traffic controller perview, as they were to fly below the altitude of the incoming jets. At less the 400' the helicopter isn't able to be tracked by radar with all the buildings. Airtraffic control warned them as they entered the air space but it was the helicopters responsibility to stay clear as they are flying VFR. Anything flying that low in that airspace is VFR,and that make sense as they must avoid buildings and other obstacles.

We'll have to wait and see what the investigation concludes but so far this is squarely the fault of the helicopter.  

The UH-60 was definitely flying VFR. And weather was ideal allowing excellent visibility.

I read the two aircraft were on different radio frequencies, but I expected an Army helo to be.

https://www.twz.com/air/mid-air-collision-shines-light-on-doomsday-plans-for-nations-capital

[Geoff Weeks]

To be clear, there are two "air traffic controls". There is regional (for lack of a better term) that coordinates and keeps all traffic in the air above a set altitude a safe distance apart, and then there is the airport "control tower" the coordinates landing and departures and ground traffic on the runways. They set up which runway for each plane to use and space out the traffic landing and taking off.

Once cleared for final approach the airport tower has taken responsibility. Their job is not to direct any and all aircraft in the area that may be there but not landing at the airport. They will and did alert the helicopter had ventured into the landing path for the airport.

Once a plane has taken off and rises to its assigned altitude from the "ground tower" they are switched to regional's purview. 

Low flying craft not landing should ask the ground tower for permission to enter the controlled space if for some reason (Life flight, for example) it is required. It would have to be extraordinary, because it would "close the airport" for the duration. Otherwise it must keep clear, the military craft did neither.

What and how many staff were in the tower is not what cause the helicopter to fly where it should not have.

 It is like blaming the red traffic light for not stopping a vehicle from running it.

Edited January 31 by Geoff Weeks

[Joseph Cummings]

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On Friday, it emerged the co-pilot of the US Army Black Hawk Sikorsky UH-60 was female servicemember on a training sortie. She has not been identified. Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves and Ryan O'Hara from Georgia were the other two service personnel on board.

 

[kscarbel2]

This new video appears to show the UH-60 ramming the CRJ. Does anyone see other?

How could the UH-60 have not seen the CRJ?

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[Joseph Cummings]

Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves and Ryan O'Hara

Still no info on the woman

This was supposed to be a "Continuity of Government" training. For like when the nukes are on their way and the big shots go hide in bunkers while the rest of us have to fight off the zombies

 

Edited January 31 by Joseph Cummings

[1958 F.W.D.]

2 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

How could the UH-60 have not seen the CRJ?

Knowing what little I know- I assume both pilots were wearing night vision gear, which can mess up peripheral vision. Other then that I got nothin' 

[Joey Mack]

KS, one of the other angles does make it look like it rammed the plane.  I too am waiting for more info. Too many posts about Trump, Sean Duffy, and transgender smoke in my eyes right now...

[mowerman]

That was a hell of a shame that’s all I got worst part. My wife was flying out this morning to LA.

[Joey Mack]

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[Joey Mack]

One thing i didnt think about until i heard it today....... Marine #1 flys in that area often...  You know I dont trust the Clinton's,, Obamas, and Bidens... They tried to Kill Mr. Trump twice in a short time already..    Mr. Trump may need to be on house arrest, in the white house,,,,,, or,,,,,,, Mara Largo...

Thoughts ????? 

[other dog]