Nathanwhit1 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 So my old girl has been parked up around 30 years. When I lift the clutch up it takes a while for drive to engage even when my foot is all the way off the pedal. Is it just a build up crud and rust on the fly wheel or something more. To me the clutch seems to be working mechanically ok Video.mov Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 That movement looks good. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I'd be spraying the angle springs with WD40 . Really isn't much else unless the clutch is shot. Sitting does weird stuff to components . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I was thinking the pressure plate looked modern compared to the age of the truck. I wonder if it still has the dog dish clutch? Ive done a couple swaps using an E-7 flywheel and Eaton Easy Pedal clutch before. I wonder what the repair history is.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 There is no free pedal there you need to wind on the inner ring till you get an 1/8 at the fork! if it aint seized! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanwhit1 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, fjh said: There is no free pedal there you need to wind on the inner ring till you get an 1/8 at the fork! if it aint seized! I’ve spoke to Paul and he has said the same thing. I’m going to adjust the clutch on Sunday and give it a try. I don’t think the fork would be seized as it seems to be moving ok in the video ? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 To do it right, you set the clutch brake adjustment with the linkage/cable/ at the arm first, then adjust the ring. That way the geometry for everything is right. Looking at the video, I have a feeling the clutch was slipping and someone tried to adjust it by putting more play in the linkage instead of turning the ring. To me the throw out bearing looks kinda close to the pressure plate 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanwhit1 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Joseph Cummings said: To do it right, you set the clutch brake adjustment with the linkage/cable/ at the arm first, then adjust the ring. That way the geometry for everything is right. Looking at the video, I have a feeling the clutch was slipping and someone tried to adjust it by putting more play in the linkage instead of turning the ring. To me the throw out bearing looks kinda close to the pressure plate Tbh I’ve done plenty of work on modern clutches but not many of this setup so any info is appreciated Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, Joseph Cummings said: To do it right, you set the clutch brake adjustment with the linkage/cable/ at the arm first, then adjust the ring. That way the geometry for everything is right. Looking at the video, I have a feeling the clutch was slipping and someone tried to adjust it by putting more play in the linkage instead of turning the ring. To me the throw out bearing looks kinda close to the pressure plate Very True Joe ! Excellent observation ! check to see if the bearing reaches the brake if so leave it and proceed with the ring adjustment! If it doesn't! tweak the outside lever to ensure engagement of the brake then the ring! As the internal adjustment does not effect the brake much! and you can always readjust accordingly after you get free pedal ! I notice that this may have the notch style adjustment you will have to move the ring At min Three notches to get to free pedal and likly and extra 2-3 to get proper free pedal! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Should be an adjustment on the arm where it goes onto the shaft, it'll have a square headed bolt with a lock nut. There is also a bolt coming in from the side that you have to loosen to do the adjustment. Your clutch petal shouldn't go to the floor. The bearing should hit the clutch brake with the petal something like 1/2 inch from the floor. You do that adjustment first. Then you check your free play at the top. The top free play is adjusted by turning the ring inside the pressure plate. You have a "Spicer 14 inch Angle Spring" Pressure plate. How you adjust the ring depends on if it is early or late production. First pic is early, second is late Edited January 31 by Joseph Cummings Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanwhit1 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 I think my head has just gone pop 🤣🤣🤣. So I adjust the clutch lever on side of the gearbox first. What’s the best way of doing this as I will be doing it by myself ? The photos didn’t come through bud Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, Nathanwhit1 said: I think my head has just gone pop 🤣🤣🤣. So I adjust the clutch lever on side of the gearbox first. What’s the best way of doing this as I will be doing it by myself ? The photos didn’t come through bud You need a second person to do it right but a stick from the clutch pedal to the seat to hold it down will work! 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Interesting, i was taught to set the 1/8" free play gap and 1/2" gap between the clutch brake and throughout bearing, then adjust pedal movement if needed, at the clutch arm to get the 3 positions of the clutch pedal in the right locations. Looks like i need to open the maint and lube book again.. Edited January 31 by Joey Mack Pour sell fone sperring 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanwhit1 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, fjh said: You need a second person to do it right but a stick from the clutch pedal to the seat to hold it down will work! Yeah Paul told me to do that with adjusting the ring it’s the lever part I’m not quite sure about Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Fjh,, i still have a tool i made for this. I cut an expandable load bar down to a useable length. I push the clutch and use the tool against the pedal and door frame near the bottom so i can get out of the truck. It holds the clutch down for me. It takes a couple extra minutes, but i got very good at doing it. I worked alone quite often... Edited January 31 by Joey Mack Pour sell fone sperring 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanwhit1 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 Any of you lot wanna come to the uk and do mine 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I think he was inquiring about this tool, not sure.. He is out of posts again. He is limited by BMT for some reason Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I have a 18 inch bit for my air hammer it is the ultimate adjustment tool ! I also have a kenttool tire bar that works well as my second choice I have no patents for using that tool there joey We had one at the shop and it was rarely used! there were always complications finding it and useing it you only have one leverage point with it and a lot of time you need extra leverage to git the ring to move ! 😡 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Yeah, i had to get creative. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I like to take one tool down there to get the job done! hate getting up and down! getting old! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 The clutch brake adjustment is done right here 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Yes after 1/2" gap is achieved at the throwout bearing and clutch brake Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Cummings Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 13 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: That's the tool for the old production (Pre 1990ish). That pressure plate has a notched ring, and a little fork held in by a 3/8" 18 thread bolt for a lock Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 14 minutes ago, Nathanwhit1 said: Any of you lot wanna come to the uk and do mine 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You Paying the air fare to and fro? Im on the next flight buddy ! always wanted to see big ben! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/75100-cruise-liner-clutch-problem/#findComment-568253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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